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Unit does not power up.

I read your solutions on this issue and surely the resistor was bad but as I replaced it, I damaged the circuit bord and now need to replace the complete board. I need help to locate a circuit bord for my machine.
Thanks,

Edgar

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  • jayrv Jun 04, 2008

    unit will not power up. is there a fuse or breaker inside machine?



    thanks,



    Jay

  • Anonymous Jun 04, 2008

    Made sure the unit was plugged into a receptical that had an output of 120 volts. This part is OK.



    Is it possible to get access to the parts manual for this unit so that if in fact I have a bad resistor, I will know the replacement part number?



    I also would like to make sure that I have a clue as to the easiest way to remove the correct cover etc. so that I don't do unnecessary removale of covers etc.



    Thanks,



    Russ

  • cheeber Jun 08, 2008

    i had a similar problem and solved by info here (cant find the post now). the machine was not powering on at all- totally dead. i saw a solution to replace the zener diode no 6 (24v 1 w) ladeled ZD6 next to two capacitors on the PC board and that did the trick. working as new now. thanks for the help.

  • tonyz123 Jun 25, 2008

    Unit will not power up at all, it works yesterday.

  • Anonymous Jun 28, 2008

    The Unit doesn't power up. It was

  • peyton278 Jun 29, 2008

    I have the same problem....one day - no power - totally dead. Where do I get these parts? How do I install them? Can someone help me do this or is it easy for a laywoman?


    Thanks for your help!


    Peyton

  • heida Jul 16, 2008

    When you press the Steam Button it no longer responds to touch and cannot be turned on to start steam process. Other functions are OK. We were told by Breville to take it to a repair guy in Honolulu to fix. They sat on it for months and finally said they could not get a replacement part. We had to pick the machine up. Now Breville longer responds to our e-mails sent asking what we should do next since the repairman they sent us to was unable to fix the problem even though they initially said they could. rmly

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