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My pilot flame is too high . What could be causing this ?

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If it's an Atwood and just recently started burning a yellow, higher flame, look closely at side of fitting where the pilot tube is attached to mounting bracket. You should see a very small hole in the side of that fitting. Take a paper clip, or something as small in diameter, and poke around inside that hole to clean it out, or shut pilot off, and use compressed air, to blow into it, to clean it out. Now re-lite your pilot and see if you have a nice blue flame now. That little hole is your air mixture for the pilot and sometimes debris clogs it, thus causes (rich mixture) yellow/red flame, which will also cause soot build-up in the chamber, or even on outside cover. Let me know if that cures it.

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