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The drip pan is freezing up and then causing over flow condition when defrost cycle occurs again also would like manuals for this equipment MSF 49 NM

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Not freezing


Either the defrost circuit has failed or the refrigerant is low - my money is on the defrost circuit.

Most defrost circuits have three main parts:

1) defrost electric heating coil
2) defrost terminator
3) defrost timer.

The heating coil and terminator are in the freezer compartment - behind a protective panel. The heater is usually piggy-backed on the freezer coil and the terminator is in contact with the freezer coil to detect its temperature. The defrost timer is a simple assembly of a clock motor with switch contacts that can be located anywhere the manufacturer desires. The timer turns on or enables the defrost circuit every 8 or so hours for up to 30 minutes give or take.

When the timer has enabled the defrost cycle, the cooling mode ceases; the compressor shuts off and power is sent through the terminator to the heater. The heater warms and melts any ice build up on the freezer coil. The water drips to a pan and flows down the tube to a pan under the fridge - where it is evaporated off. The heater warms the freezer coil until either a) the timer returns to cooling mode or b) the terminator senses a preset rising temperature on the freezer coil. Once either condition is present, power is interupted and heating stops. The compressor is energized through the adjustable thermostat in your fridge. Since it is warm, the compressor turns on and cooling begins.

If any of the components listed above (1,2 or 3) have failed, the defrost cycle never warms the freezer coil and the ice never melts to clear the freezer coil as intended. Air can not be circulated through the freezer coil since it is choked with ice, so even though the compressor runs, the fridge and freezer spaces never get colder. The adjustable thermostat never sees the temperature you've set so the compressor never shuts off.

Water dripping in the fridge is melting ice from the freezer space - as the freezer is not getting colder - only the protected space around the freezer coil is.

To fix this, you'll have to get the service manual or schematics for the fridge to determine where the parts are located and do some troubleshooting with a multimeter after disassembling the freezer compartment and wherever else to access the timer if needed. This is not a good first appliance repair job for a DIYer due to the danger of refrigerant and testing live electrical parts in closed in spaces.

I hope this helps.

May 20, 2010 | Kenmore 20.3 cu. ft. / 575 liter Upright...

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Defrost times and adjust


http://www.turboairinc.com/TB-Service/Service%20Manual%20%20-%20April%202008/TSF-49SD.pdf

go to this site and check out the service manual. I guessed at the unit you had as you did not include the model number.
You can also go to turboairinc.com and search for more info if you need to.

Hope this gets you your answer.

Apr 15, 2010 | Turbo Air 49 cu. ft. / 1388 liter...

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Frost free freezer forming layer of clear ice on floor of freezer


This sounds like clogged drain / hose in the freezer compartment, here's why:

When the defrost circuit turns on, the compressor turns off. The defrost coil melts frost that collects on the freezer coil and drips in to a small pan located below the coil. The pan is formed so that the water that drips in it can flow to a hose connected under it. When the defrost cycle completes. the compressor runs again, bringing the temperature in the freezer to about 0 again. Any water remaining anywhere in the freezer will turn to ice very quickly.

If the hose should become clogged with ice, or slowed by mold, bacteria, etc. - water flow will be slowed, and / or eventually stopped. Ice will become thicker and thicker on the floor of the freezer as there is no place for the water to go.

A service manual for the appliance would be a good idea, but may not be required. You'll need to unplug the freezer and empty the contents. Defrost manually with a hair dryer or other heat source. If you decide to chip away ice, do so carefully.

The defrost and drain area of most refrigerator / freezers are located behind the rear panel of the freezer compartment. This is where the manual would indicate where the parts are located. Remove any ice maker installed if needed to remove the back panel.

Defrost any ice previously hidden by the panel. Chipping ice here should be a last resort, as sharp edges can damage cooling coils, tubing and the drip pan itself. Use a turkey baster filled with hot water to direct a stream at the area of the pan filled with ice. Hot water will likely have to be directed down the opening on the pan to melt ice in the hose as well.

Once the ice is cleared, mix about a 10% to 20% solution of bleach and water (1/2 ounce bleach to 3 ounces water) and direct down the drain hose. This will kill and inhibit further growth of mold and bacteria in the hose, which should help it drain water quickly.

Re-assemble and plug into power.

I hope you found this Very Helpful. If you need more help, ask again - but include the freezer manufacturer's name and model number. Good luck!

Dec 03, 2009 | Freezers

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Freezer is warm, not freezing at all, fans run


If the fans your talking about are in the refrigeration section, then the unit is not in defrost. The interior fans shut off during the defrost cycle.
There is a condenser fan motor in the machine section by the compressor. If it fails, the problem you described can occur.
If that fan motor is still, and the compressor is cool to the touch, then no power is getting to the refrigeration section.
Could be a bad thermostat, or the unit has tripped off on the high pressure safety switch. The high pressure switch can be one of 2 styles. Auto reset, which means it will try to restart the compressor when the pressures become normal. The other has a lock out feature that requires it be reset manually. If it goes out on the high pressure switch, once reset, check the condenser fan motor to make sure it is running and/or excessive dirt in the condenser, which must be blown out.
Other causes can be a total loss of refrigerant, or a compressor that won't run.
Short of a broken wire all items listed except for a dirty condensor and reset of the high pressure switch, require a decent knowledge of electrical, Knowledge in the use of a VOM meter and amp-probe, as well as a set of refrigeration gauges.

Oct 30, 2009 | Turbo Air 49 cu. ft. / 1388 liter...

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I wondered how long the defrost cycle was supposed to run on this Turbo Air TGF 49F freezer as I am not sure if a door was left ajar or if it is stuck on defrost if possible. I would like to manually over...


If it's frosted up, it's best to defrost manually with heat gun. Find the timer and advance until it goes back into defrost. The timer looks like a residential fridge. It cut the compressor off and the heaters on.
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Sep 06, 2009 | Turbo Air 49 cu. ft. / 1388 liter...

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Msf-49nm will not stay below freezing!!


My next question is, you say you have to call a tech to come out. Is he doing something? And if so, what? With the limited info I have at this time, it sounds like there may be a refrigerant problem. Let me know so we can continue. Am looking forward to resolving this.

Jun 02, 2009 | Turbo Air 49 cu. ft. / 1388 liter...

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Msf-49nm evaportor pan and drain iced up


I deal with MasterBilt which is a private lable made by TurboAir.
I have several units but only one does this icing up thing. Look for a bad seal on the door gasket. These really ice up if that does not seal almost perfectly. Look for premature termination of the defrost cycle. Check that the heater is pulling amps. The wiring diagram at "turboairinc.com" is very poor but it shows 2 heaters for the refrigerator. They list a diagram for the freezer but it's not there. I know for sure that there is a heater for the evap but don't know about the drain. I've seen some have it and some don't. there tech support line has much to be desired but it's worth a shot. Also, the bottom hinge on the door fails fairly regularly. This allows the door to drop just enought to disengage the switch at the top of the door and stop the evap fan from running, thus causing a freeze up.
Good Luck . You got your hands full with this one.

Dec 11, 2008 | Turbo Air 49 cu. ft. / 1388 liter...

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Kenmore upright freezer


You should check the drain hose inside underneath the freezer.This is done at the back down below. Mine was looped too high and water could not get out. I took the loop off that was holding the hose and now water can drain away without freezing. You can pour warm water down the drain hole to melt the ice in the tube if you remove the grate covering it inside the freezer. I have read that several Kenmore upright freezer
owners have the same problem. I was astonished that this was the problem and I had put up with it for too long, defrosting the freezer every 2-3 months!.Give it a try!

Nov 27, 2006 | Kenmore 16.7 cu. ft. / 473 liter Upright...

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