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Anonymous Posted on Apr 02, 2010

I have an older style forney welder. The rods are

I have an older style forney welder. The rods are sticking when you get an arc. What could the problem be?
the 220 wiring hookup -where does the white wire and the black wire hook up to inside? Can you suggest a site so we can look at a diagram

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    we would like to look at a wiring diagram to see if this might be the problem

  • Anonymous Apr 02, 2010

    the welding rods are sticking in our forney welder and we think it may be an internal wiring problem concerning the 220 How can we go about getting a wiring schematic for an older forney welder?

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The White an Black wires are the mains feed, the BLACK, is Phase, the White is Neutral. They go onto the main terminal block.
Sticking of your welding rod is caused by the rod melting to the steel before it is pulled away.I have an older style forney welder.  The rods are - 41e3815.gif

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If you had inadequate wiring to the unit from your panel such that the voltage was way low that could make it tough to weld.

HOWEVER, the usual cause of sticking of the rods is technique to get the arc started... It takes a lot of practice AND imprtant is using the right heat setting for the rod size.

The scratching technique is something I have a problem with myself. ALSO if the rods have the coating such that it is hard to get initial contact, stabbing the rod ALWAYS seems to stick the rod.

Inadeqaute current setting makes it hard to start.

If the rods have been exposed to moisture this can cause a problem, including hydrogen embrittlement of the resulting welds.

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1.Make sure the ground clamp has a good, clean surface it's clamped to. If not, it will be very hard to get the rod started, and also to keep it going. (Makes bad welds too)

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You won't know it until you wake up the next day with your eyes swelled shut!

Cover your arms, and use welding gloves. Welders give can give you a radiation burn, worse than a bad sunburn. NEVER just start welding a little with No welding helmet. Welding goggles are for the birds, or Acetylene welding!

Be safe, have fun welding!
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