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We have a wet location with a need for a 3 pole 30 amp Siemens BL circuit breaker to feed the peice of equipment and would like to have ground fault protection. Is this Breaker available in GFI?

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I see you're looking for a 3 pole 30 amp Siemens BL cir. brkr.? I don't believe they make a this type of breaker in a 3 pole. In a 2 pole yes, but not a 3 pole. Also, I see on top of your message, it says Siemens #MP120GF 20 amp SP GFI Breaker. Now, if this is what you're looking for, I do know they have one. If you're working out of a home, I'm sure you have a 240 volt service, and a 3 pole wouldn't work here anyway. I'm just checking, but do feel free to contact me for this, or any other questions you may have. Good Luck to you, and I hope I was able to help you in some way. - Jim

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