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Bosch WFB2005 triping mains

I'd appreciate if anybody could indicate what may be causing my machine to trip the mains power minutes AFTER the washing cycle has finished. Switching off the machine removes the short circuit; switching on again trips the power immediately.

This started about a month ago on a machine that is otherwise in very good condition.

The machine is 10-yrs old but hasn't been very heavily used.

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  • bricoleur Mar 02, 2008

    The machine always appears to complete its washing cycle (ie. wash, spin & pump water); if the power switch is left on for some minutes after then the mains power switch will trip. Turning the machine off immediately after the complete wash cycle has completed avoids the problem.

  • bricoleur Mar 03, 2008

    I understand your logic regarding a short circuit in the motor. But if that were the case, the machine would stop short before the clothes had spun dry. This has never happened - the cycle is complete every time.



    One other observation: when I release the power switch, the trip can be restored. When I then press the power switch, even without selecting a wash programme and the machine door open, the mains switch will again trip.



    I almost appears that the machine switch is faultly.



    Many thanks,

  • bricoleur Mar 04, 2008

    dazmaraz,



    thanks for the advice. Could this test be done on an analogue multimeter? When you refer to a washer, is this the complete washing machine or a particular component of it?



    Thanks again

  • bricoleur Mar 05, 2008

    I will try to source both the clamp meter & insulation resistance tester as advocated.



    The problem is intermittent: the machine didn't trip tonight after a wash cycle. This is making me think that water on the main switch may be making the short. The machine hadn't been used in some days so the elapsed time may have given the switch time to dry out, hence normal operation tonight.



    I'll need to dig into the machine to investigate; is it difficult to access the mains switch on the Bosch WFB2005?



    Thanks again

  • Abraham Holland May 11, 2010

    If the machine really goes through a complete cycle, including the Spin without the circuit breaker tripping then the problem is not with the machine components. If the overload or short-circuit doesn't happen until some minutes after the cycle is over, then there are a few possibilities, including something else being connected to the same circuit. I would think though that the machine does'nt complete the entire spin but overheats the motor making it seem like the cycle is over but then trips the circuit breaker when voltage is left on.

  • Alastair Macleod
    Alastair Macleod May 11, 2010

    Just to confirm, when you say "after the washing cycle has finished", do you mean:



    a. When the machine has finished swilling the laundry around in soapy water, and is just about to move on to the next phase of the cycle



    or



    b. When the machine has gone throught the whole process of washing, rinsing and spinning?



    A.

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Couple of other questions and some ideas.

Do you know what sort of breaker is getting taken out? Is it Earth Leakage, or Overcurrent? Earth leakage with a delayed onset would be really odd - while overcurrent breakers often have a slow-acting thermal element to protect against small ooverloads. In this case. it's not that the fault develops after a delay, it's just that the breaker leaves it a while before tripping.

A small overload when the machine is nominally off is quite a hazardous situation - it means that something somewhere in the system is likely to be getting very hot, and being allowed to get on with it for several minutes. This is a good way for house fires to start. The best way to test for this is to put a clamp meter (these are relatively cheap) round the live conductor (only) in the power lead, and see if you're drawing excess current at the end of the cycle. If you are, then it's just a matter of progressively disconnecting components within the machine until you find the culprit.

Ifyou're tripping an earth leakage breaker, then Dazmaraz's insulation tester is the only real way to go. Once again, get the problem to show on the tester, then progressively disconnect components until the problem disappears. Experience suggests that a proper insulation tester is much more likely to be successful than a multimeter (multimeters don't work at a high enough voltage to excite a lot of insulation breakdown type faults).

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If there are no problems during the cycle then I think you are "right on" with your observation about the power switch. That is the only component "in play" after the cycle is over. Most power switches are single throw-double pole, so that when you push down the power circuit gets completed. If it only happens a few minutes after you leave the switch ON after the cycle ends, there is still power to one side of the switch and if a short circuit takes place between the 2 poles due to a fault in the switch itself, probably due to something in the switch overheating, then it will also blow the main breaker. Apparently, If you leave it OFF for a while, you can then run another cycle O.K. because whatever overheated in the switch then cooled down and was no longer short-circuiting.

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Get yourself an insulation resistence tester and put one lead on the earth pin of the mains plug select continuity on the tester and touch any bare metal on your machine it should beep. After put the lead that you connected to metal on the live pin of the plug close the washer door turn machine on.Now select 500 v on the tester and press the ideal range must be above 2 meg ohms with a minimum of 0.5 ohms if you get a reading below then you have a prolem with the washer, but if above 2 meg ohms it maybe your mains socket. Good luck

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    Darren Moxam Mar 05, 2008

    I mean the complete washing machine

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