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Pendulum in beat but stops running after a few

Elgin 31 day wind up wall clock pendulum in beat but stops running after a few minutes ... no apparant pendulum brushing against anything ... just seems that the momentum isn't enough to keep it running? If it needs new/additional lubrication, what pivots/places should be targeted and what is preferred luibricant

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CLOCK OILING TIPS * NOTE: Many Master Clock Smiths and Hobbyists used many different oils and as many different techniques.
* It is only good sense to use only the best in quality when selecting clock oils and grease. A number of fine oils are made especially for clocks. The oil used should stay in place and not evaporate easily and have no tendency to gum or get sticky as it ages. Most clock oils meet these standards. [CAUTION: Never consider using non-clock lubricants, as they tend to not really work well in clocks. Some are too light and cause unnecessary bushings wear, while others are too thick or can evaporate, over time will gum up and stop the clock prematurely.]

Oiling Procedures
-Main-springs are oiled after cleaning and before they are recoiled.
-Teeth and pinions are never oiled.
-Normally, the dial train of gears, hour wheel, minute wheel and minute wheel post are not oiled. However, oil is used between the center shaft and cannon pinion where slip friction is present in setting the hands.
-All points of friction such as train wheel pivots to bushings are oiled. Verge faces are oiled directly.
-Oil is always used sparingly and should never run all over the plates.

Hope this tip helps.

R/
DAvid

http://antiqueclock.clockstop.com/oil.htm

Posted on Feb 08, 2010

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How to turn-off chime of elgin Westminster chime wall clock with pendulum?


Are there two batteries. One for the time and one for the chime? Try taking the one for the chime out and it should stop chiming. mine worked that way but is a different make.

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Cuckoo Clock Repair


CUCKOO CLOCK
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REGULATION AND REPAIR TIPS

REF: 30 hour and 8 day clock
[From my shop notes:]
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{FACT}
-1/8 inch movement of the pendulum bob is equal to about 3 min per 24 hours running.
-To increase the time of the clock, move pendulum up.
-To slow down the time move, pendulum down.

Regulation notes:
These novel clocks are at best only a "fair" time-keeper. You can expect 100 to 120 sec per 30-hour winding period. I recommend that if it is within a few minutes per winding, simply RE-set the time.

-The regulation obstacles are obvious:
1. Open pendulum, this allows even the slightest breeze from a fan, ceiling fan or even cross-winds inside your house to affect both time qualities and/or its running ability.
2. The Pendulum material is wooden, and sensitive to climatic condition, during times of high humidity the clock will slow down.




REPAIR TIPS:

1. Recommend regular servicing every 2 to 3 years for these unique clocks, mostly due to the fact that the movement is open to the elements (dust and dirt is easily deposited on the movement).
2. Sometimes the clock is "over weighted", meaning that the actual weight is to heavy for the clock. I have seen some very new clocks with the wrong weights added. Instead of the clock simply stopping after the lubrication qualities are gone it continues to run and ruined the bushings.
-To find the correct weight of a newly serviced clock, you can use a small scale. Anchor it to the floor, connect chain to the top end, wind it until it is more than double the weight of the existing weights, and then start the clock to running after the clock stops running, X's the weight figure on the scale by multiplying 1.25 or 1.35 X's the weight figure on the scale by 25 to 35 % maximum = the amount needed. [Example scale indicator is on 1 lb x 25% = 1.25 lb




BELLOW REPAIR:


-Unfortunately many repair persons have opted to simply replace the bellow, this is unfortunate because it can so easily be repaired.

-I use a "RE-COVERING BELLOWS" kit.

-This kit comes with bellow replacement material, glue, one wooden handling tool and great instructions.
DO NOT attempt to simply patch work this, it is not fair to the customer and it will not work long.

THE CHAIN:

If needed, don't be afraid to replace the chain as they are easily ordered and replaced. Most cost about $3 to $4 a piece.

The problems are:

-If there is a child, pet, or adult in the house, the chain can be stretched. If the chain becomes damaged, it will get hung up inside the clock. "Even one damaged link can stop the clock."
-Wrong size chain {the differences between 72 links per foot and 67 links per foot are easily confused). Recommend actually laying the chain on the chain drive gear and seeing if it fits.


MUSIC BOX GOVERNORS:image008.jpg


Clean and oil only. Check the pivots if worn. Don't waste your time to try and repair, just replace the Governor. Only the actual music drum can be sleeved with a new bushing. Cost for a new governor is about $25. Well worth having a few assorted governors in stock.
-If a complete replacement is necessary, the cost is about $40 to $50.

Hope this tip helps.
R/ David

http://antiqueclock.clockstop.com/CUCKOO.htm


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Needs lubrication in the gearing at that point most likely.

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I have an Elgin Westminister Quartz Chime clock. Everything works fine, except the pendulum does not swing, anymore. Can I fix this or can I buy parts to fix this problem?


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Perhaps your is the same?

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If you think it is becoming too stiff, just stop winding and see how long it runs for. I have often heard the term "over winding at clock" but have never quite understood the term. As a retired engineer I think that springs that break because of overenthusiastic winding are probably near the end of their life anyway.

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The pendulum stopped swinging...the clock and chimes work well


Hi
This clock short of needing a full service may simply be out of beat.

Taken from my web page located at:
http://antiqueclock.clockstop.com/CLOCK_BEAT.htm

"HOW TO PUT YOUR CLOCK IN BEAT"
-Included below is a 10-second sound <snip> of a clock both in and out of beat.

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IN BEAT ////////\\\\ OUT OF BEAT
· Turn on your sound and click on the clocks above for a sound clip.

-One little known fact is that a clock does not have to be level to be in beat. I had a customer that had a mantel clock in an old farm house, it was brought in for repairs and sent back running great just one problem: I put the clock in beat on a level surface [a small problem] because the mantel it had set on for it's entire life was not level. I had to literally go to the house to put it in beat where it sat.
-I have often found most Grandfather or floor clocks are set up out of level and put in beat where they stand, This is fine.
-As I'm sure we now realize a clock must be in beat but not always level to function properly.
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· Above is the verge with a slip clutch.
· Often found on Grandfather clocks and requires only a long swing to get it in beat.

-To get the clock on the right side in beat you would need to push the verge assembly to the left.
-If it must be bent to put it in beat, do it slightly, but don't bend any of the suspension parts.

R/ David

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Hi i'll try to make this short,i have a grandffather clock i took it in for repair the part thats up in the clock that holds the pendulum had broken off,that was the only problem with it.when i got the...


After reading all the explanations I understand that your clock is not overwound or damaged and do not need any further repairs even you've been transporting (carrying) it.
The reason it does not work is simple - your clock is out of beat and all it needs is just to put it back in beat. This is simple operation for watch/clock repairer, but would be very difficult for you without proper knowledge.
So, my advice is: Take your clock back to that repair shop (don't forget the receipt for the previous job done). You must carry the clock with the pendulum off, but don't leave it at home. When in shop, ask to put the clock in beat. Simply say: '' My clock is out of beat. Can you correct this for me, please?''
As this clock was repaired there some time ago (receipt is proof), this is clockmakers responsibility to put it in beat before handling back to the customer. As well as this, clockmaker should have to explain how to carry the clock and how to hook up the pendulum without disturbing the escapement. If it was not done, you have the rights to ask to fix all that.
Do not be afraid to go and to ask them to finish their job properly. These are your consumer rights and you are not asking for any extra work to be done.
Do not try to contact them over the phone, as it is allways better to face the person and speek directly.
Pull your socks up and go!
Good luck.

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