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Can the feeder work without a copier

Hi,

I don't know a lot about the technical details about the copy machine although I'm an electrical engineer trying to build a product sorter. So here comes my question:

The project is a automatic cutting and sorting machine. A continues strip of material is fed through an automatic cutter, which cuts it into sections in predetermined length (typically quarter inch by 3 inch). The piece then falls from the cutter and into one of 20 containers in a raw. Before the cutter makes the next cut, the containers are shifted by one unit-length such that the next piece will fall in to the next waiting container. The system repeats itself automatically and after each run the 20 containers will have one piece of material each.

A document sorter seems to me to be a good replacemnt to a custom made moving mechanism. If (1)the sorter can work/move horizontally without the existance of a copy machine and (2) there are simple ways (like hooking up two wires to a press button or providing a TTL signal) of letting the sorter moving 1 step at a time in either direction, I think this plan is feasible.

Is a typical sorter able to to that job? Or sorters from a certain brand can fit the bill?

Please let me know if more information is needed.


Thanks!
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The problem you will run into is the size of the exited pieces of paper.

Most sorters / finishers use timing sensors (whether it be a timing wheel on lift motors, or photo sensors in paper paths) to determine when to shift positions, and most use separate control boards.

An older 10 / 20 bin sorter that uses gates may be the answer, but again, you will need to figure out how to setup the timing circuit so it knows when each piece exits.

These units will have to be modified to drop the exited pieces vertically in to waiting containers, instead or exiting horizontally onto trays. This may cause even more problems, as most of them rely on gravity itself to hold the exited paper on its feed belts / guides, and the entrance to the unit would then be on the top.

Another problem with this would be the overall size of these things. Remember these sorters / finishers are designed to hold quite a large amount of weight, and the units themselves can be quite heavy.

My best advice is to use something smaller, perhaps a sorting machine for mailing envelopes, or perhaps a modified coin counting device with a "barrel" type of distribution mechanism that you can modify with a slide chutes. If any more ideas come to mind, I will re-post them.

Good luck.

Posted on Feb 05, 2008

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thank you for the complement and for trying to help with your project.

Can a sorter be used ?
Let's see: it seems that you are planning on modifying it to fit your needs.
-changing the bins to container type.
-moving them horizontally

The bins in the sorter are on two cams on each side of the machine that are syncronized.
each bin has a protruding pin on each side that goes into the cams to move it up and down.
sorters were made for vertical movement, to take apart and lay it horizontal.............................

I'm having a difficult time seeing the way you would do all of these without having to re-design the whole system.
as for the electrical part I'm sure if you have the schematics you could by pass and make a board to simulate the signals you need to make it work.

The idea is good, but unless you are willing to re-engineer the whole thing I can't see how it would be more beneficial to you.

Give me a feedback and we'll explore more options.
TNX

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