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Posted on Jan 26, 2008

Change out my processor chip

Pentium 4 1.8 gw 500se (old) would like to upgrade it to something around
2.66 - 3.0 pentium 4. existing system has 1g ram and 120gb hard drive, dvd/cd rw drives and an upgraded 128mb vetro video card -pci.
what is needed?

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"any brand"?! hmm have you ever worked with a Dell! if any brand fits in the thing then i wish you more than goodluck!

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Hi!good pm...hope this will help...

you need to buy a new motherboard (any brand) compatible with the 2.66 - 3.0 pentium 4 processor...

goodluck!

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