Philips Magnavox 51MP392H Rear Projection Television
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I was told that my convergence ic's need to be




By jnbrbay on Oct 28, 2009

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I was told that my convergence ic's need to be replaced along with the 6.8 ohm watt resistors. What doI ask for the ic's and what watt resistors should I ask for. where can I buy these ic's and resistors.
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Oct 28, 2009

- thank you sd tech, yes i'm pretty good with an iron and the model is a magnavox 51mp392h/17. do i get some/how many 6.8 resistors or different one's.

Oct 28, 2009

- Ok sd tech, ready when you are. I'm not to computer savy so its taking me longer to get back to you. I dont know what time zone your in and dont want to make you type out a long sequence or take up to much of your time. If you would like to call my cell phone # is 704-996-3317 and you can hide your # if you'd like to, I think we'll get more accomplished this way because of my computer handycap problem. Also write back a better time for you to walk me through this or if now is a good time and if you are ok with doing this over the phone. As well I do want to repay you for your help ,i'm on a low budgit income and the tv was given to me as a hand me down so depending on how much all this stuff is going to cost to get the tv working I want to give you the left over of what i have left. THANK YOU SO MUCH, sinsearly; JR Barbay

Oct 28, 2009

- sd tech, thanks again. My wife always gets on my case about how much I charge people when I do construction/carpentry work as well. She's a good person and just wants me to make what other contractors make but I like to know that I helped them out more than just doing a job that any old person could do. But to get back to business here with the tv my wife said she saw that there was a better chip than the factory on, Ithink it was a 150 instead of the 120 and the add said dont cheap out it well worth it. Do you know anything like this and what exactly I should ask for? thanks for all your help and have a great night sleep. I'll look for a reply tomorrow and start on removing and checking resistors in the meen time. I still would like to send you a d&d or a starbucks gift certificate for your help Its the least I could do if I cant give you some $$. your a nice guy and your help is greatly appreciated. thanks, JR Barbay

Oct 28, 2009

- HEY there sd tech, It's wed. evening here on the east coast I bought some about 10 replacement resistors I asked for 6.8's but they had only two pack' one said 680-ohm 1/2 watt 5% tolerance or 68-ohm 1/2 watt 5% tolerance, I bought the 680's because they had no spot even empty spot with the 6.8 discription I hope I got the right one's. I took a picture of what I thought was the resistors you had mentioned and the respective location that they were, the discriptive # r 3149 and r 3159 were there but they are white and not the tan color that I bought. I'm confused as to whether or not I got the right resistors they start from one end to the other with colors as follows ; gold-brown-gray-blue , is there a certain order or direction that they go in with the color sequence or does it not matter. Also was wondering about the radiation there talking about on the warning lable is it just when the tv is on or pluged in ,how do you make adgustments safley from the back of the tv? I have a 15 - 30 watt solderer what watt should I use on the circutry or does it not matter? I asked my neigbor who gave us the tv if he could get me the remote and I reluctantly told him that the tv was acting strange. He said he knew there was a convergece problem after talking to someone so he changed the chips himself but said it was his first time soldering an it looked fine when he was done, but I remember my first time long ago and over the years with all my rc toys recievers and what not, so I was wondering if there was a way to tell if the chips he put in are good or not. Or do I just take a chance and replace. Then plug in and turn on and see results on screan? When a resistor is fryed does it turn white or blackish or do you think I was looking at the wrong componants and look for the same looking resistors that I got today the tan ones? Thanks SD Tech Hope you had a great nite sleep, My wife and I are really excited to maybe get the tv to work right and truely appreciate all of your help ...

Oct 29, 2009

- hey SD Tech, I realized that you had said any white or discolored resistors need to be replaced earlier. I've found r-3149 and r-3159 they are beside anouther resistor r-3149 is beside r-3150 and r-3159 is beside r-3160. There is a total of 12 from what I can see and they all look the same, kinda white or light bluish and no visable color bands, are these the resistors of concern? I will not put the ones I got today in and call around tomorrow to find the 6.8's but if these are the right location and resistor #'s let me know and i'll put them in tomorrow. #'s 3158,3157,3150,3149,3164,3156,3151,3152,3160,3159,3153,3154. I have got the chassis in the service position and it looks like my neighbor did an ok job but my next question is there is some flux residue around some of the pins , can this be shorting the chips or is flux non conductive? You had mensioned liquid flux, I have flux paste do I need to be useing the liquid stuff or will the paste work as well? ?Heatsink compound need more info "type" can I get it at the shack? Also grease, I have automotive grease do I need something particular? The chips, is there a noticable discoloration or way to see visaully if their bad or still good? how do I remove the heat sink from the chips without damaging anything? Please advise thanks JR

Oct 29, 2009

- SD Tech, Are there 12 total resistors or should I only be concerned with 3149 and 3159? With the volt meter what setting do I use resistance mode "diode","200","2K","20K","200K","2M".? Thanks we see a light at the end of the tunnel now. Of coarse I'll let you know how things go. And if you ever have any questions regarding your home or constuction please feel free to call and ask me anything, thanks so much JR

Oct 29, 2009

- SD Tech, I put the volt meter in resistance mode on the diode setting and checked resistors it made beep sound and gave a reading of 004 I'm not sure what this meens? please advise JR

Nov 01, 2009

- Hey there SD Tech, I installed the IC chips last night and installed the chassis back in this morning. Everything seems to be working great now we are getting great picture quality, but will need you to help walk us through the tech set-up when we get the remote. We will set it up manually through the volume menu for the meantime. We are so excited and hope the repair lasts for a long time, and greatly appreciate all the help and insite that you so very kindly gave us. I noticed that the SONY - CXA2089S - 409A306 computer chip factory soldering connections were touching each other so I cut a groove with a razor knife to provide seperation between the pins, also I noticed two other electronic components maybe resistors that were also making contact with each other so I seperated them as well. I'm not sure where they were located or there ID #'s But I was wondering if the SONY chip was supposed to be making pin contact, and if it sounds normal with your expertise for any componants to be making contact with one another above the normal soldering to the board?? I probably should have asked you this before I made those adjustments but figured it was strange that they were like that. Hope you had a good weekend and a happy halloween and will look out for your reply answers. Oh yeh one more thing a repair shop gave me a few sites that I might be able to get some replacment resistors in case mine fail but also they sell remotes for most tv sets but the problem is I dont know the type that goes with the tv we have and not some other model. Please advise Thank's so much, JR, Lauren, Leanna, and Katelyn

Nov 09, 2009

- hey Louis66, My name is JR and I just replaced the IC chips as recommended, it seemed to fix the problems. However we still notice some bluish hazing around white objects especially. I have tried making adjustments to the tv manualy but its still there, so I'm wondering if this might be a fluid problem? I am trying to locate a new remote so we can try seting up the tv in normal and HD, as we were told by another pro to get the best picture. Do you have any suggestions. Thanks JR

Nov 24, 2009

- Hi louis66, I want to install a 12v cooling fan above the heat sinks to help keep the convergence chips from overheating. I read that this is a common problem with this tv set. I pluged a small fan into the 2 power strips for all the electronic equipment and noticed lines in the tv screen. I'm assuming that its RF interfearence. Is there something else maybe on the chassis that I can use to power the 12v fan or do I need to plug into an extension cord from anouther outlet some where else. The 12v fan is not causing lines just the small floor fan I was useing before I got the 12v fan. I would like to connect to a 12v part on the chassis so I dont have to keep sliding the tv out to unpluge it when we are done watching tv, and to have it turn on when we turn the tv on. Can this be done? and can you advise me on where to tap into on the chassis. THANK YOU, JR

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posted on Oct 28, 2009
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SD Tech

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I can help---what level of skill do you have at soldering?

I know these sets pretty well--to begin with confirm actual model number to me---The IC's and resistors can be bought.

The question is are you able to solder etc if I step you thru it?

Whatever chips the set uses you can buy a pair on Ebay for under 15 dollars--the resistors can be purchased at any electronics or TV repair place.

I help people here even AFTER they give me a vote here--idea is for you to get your set fixed and save money.

Tell me exact model and how much skill you have and I will assist you---I do this here for free.

Regards, SD TECH

Comments:

Oct 28, 2009

- First---this set uses two of the STK-392-120 CONVERGENCE CHIPS---they are side by side on metal heat sinks on the left board as you look from the back of the set.

The 6.8 ohm resistors should be in front and to the left of the heat sink towards the front of the chassis---all of them have location numbers on the top and bottom of the board--they are R3149-R3159--and are 6.8 ohm 1/2 watt resistors--you should be able if you look at them close to see any that are white or discolored are gone--best is to check all of them like checking a fuse.

As far as the chips go---on Ebay select search, then advanced search, then search by seller---look for sewsales55 he has the best prices on the chips and gives a 6 month warranty. If you find bad resistors any place (even radio shack) should have them---look and check them first.

Do you want to know the best way to get at them? Do not try to remove the large board, it can be done but you better mark all the plugs so you know where they go---this set uses torkes type screws.

The quickest way is to put the entire chassis with the plastic frame into the service position--I can tell you how to do this.

Aside from the chips and resistors you need solder, a de-soldering braid, some liquid solder flux, and some denatured alcohol or acetone to clean the bottom of the board when you remove the chips.

You also need some heat sink compound to put on the new chips before you install them---they are held in with metal clips that snap out.

Do a visual on the resistors and if any are discolored you will know how many you need.
Let me know if you want to know how to put the chassis into the service position.

REGARDS, SD TECH

Oct 28, 2009

- I am in California---going to sleep in about 30 minutes--no pay is required.

With the back removed, there will be six torkes--three along the back edge of the plastic frame--three more right to left near the middle of the frame.

Once you get them out you can pull the chassis back a little and lift it up.

You will notice a slide board just below the lens--pull it out and look at the two slots on either side that it slides into--they should have philips screws in them--remove the screws and wood pieces--note which is which.

with them out and the chassis unbolted you should be able to slide the entire chassis back and tilt it up--you may have to release a few cables from ties---it will be a tight fit to get it back and up--move slowly--

Depending on exact model there may also be two pieces of wood on either side with screws you have to remove--on sidewall of set---if they are there you have to remove them to get enough room to lift the chassis up.



Once you get the entire chassis up with the bottom of all the boards facing the back of the set you can unsolder the chips--check the resistors first and if you find any bad when you get the chassis up unsolder them first--It will be a tight fit to move the chassis up and down--

Coat the pins on the chips and or resistors with liquid solder flux--it will help you to remove the solder--these sets use lead free solder--it does not like to come away easy--\\

Once you get both chips and or any resistors unsoldered put the chassis back down--clean the bottom of the board after you unsolder any parts--it will make it more easy when you solder the new parts in.

With the chassis back down--unsnap the clips on the chips and remove each of them--same with any resistors you replace


Clean any old grease off of the heatsinks--apply new grease to each new chip and install--important the pins are perfectly straight on the new chips or you will have a hard time.

When you get a new chip in---hold it down when you snap the band back--it will try to lift up--get it all the way down and snap the band back on.

With both chips in and the snaps in--replace any bad resistors--once done tilt the entire chassis back up---apply liquid solder flux to the chips or resistors and solder every pin back in--when done clean again and inspect all soldering to make sure you got everything and did not short any pins to another pin etc.

With everything soldered put the chassis back down and slide into place.

Cross you heart and plug set in and turn on to see what you have--it will either work or toast a resistor in the same area---the point here is the only way to know is to replace the chips and see what you have.

If you end up with a working set---I have more information for you--These sets have a hidden menu to adjust the convergence all over the screen---if you are going to have a HD connection to it--you will have to adjust the convergence in the normal and also in the HD mode--they are separate.

You need an original working remote for this---adjusting in the customer menu will give you an ok picture but adjusting in the TECH mode will give you a better picture.

By the way--when you have the back off--at some point wipe the three large black lens with something to clean any dust off of them--if they are dusty--picture will be darker and somewhat dull looking.

Keep in mind I am here to help you----got emails today from 2 people who did this that had great results-----they both wanted to send me money but I told them no---just happy to help people here.

Yell if you need help, I am here most of the time--wife laughs at me.


SD TECH

Oct 28, 2009

- NEVER MIND-- buy her some flowers and surprise her--there is no upgraded replacement for the chip this set uses--stick to the original type--if it works the set will not have the same trouble for 5-8 years.

stk-392-150 does not replace the stk-392-120.

Going to go get some sleep here, good night.

SD TECH

Oct 29, 2009

- FIRST: the resistors have to be 6.8 ohms , not 680 ohms or 68 ohms---do not put the wrong ones into the set.

SECOND: ANY OF THEM THAT ARE BAD CAN BE TESTED LIKE TESTING A FUSE---NO READING ACROSS THEM MEANS THEY ARE BAD---any open ones that are bad will be somewhat discolored in the middle---white looking----check them first---if you are lucky none are bad---that is a good thing.

As far as soldering goes---with some liquid flux applied to all the pins on each chip use the desolder wick to remove the solder---do not force the iron or you can damage the foil! This set uses lead free solder and it may not unsolder easy---take your time and if you have to apply more liquid flux until you get all the pins on both chips unsoldered.

keep the tip of the iron clean with a wet sponge or wet rag---clean tips solder better.

Make sure when you install the new chips you apply heat sink compound to them first--the pins on the chips have to be perfectly straight or you will have a hard time getting all 18 pins in.

SD TECH

Oct 29, 2009

- FIRST: YOU CAN CLEAN THE BOARD WITH ACETONE AND A TOOTHBRUSH TO REMOVE ANY EXCESS FLUX.

SECOND: HEAT SINK COMPOUND IS A WHITE GREASE FOR MOVING HEAT--NOT AUTOMOTIVE GREASE--RADIO SHACK SHOULD HAVE IT--HEAT SINK COMPOUND. REMOVE ANY OLD COMPOUND FROM THE HEAT SINKS AND CLEAN THEM---careful this stuff stains hands and clothing so wipe it clean.

THIRD: IF NONE OF THE RESISTORS ARE DISCOLORED---most are light green in color---just check them all with a meter---just like checking a fuse---a 6.8 ohm resistor should read just like a fuse--a short. A bad one will have no reading across it.

IF YOU GET THE SET WORKING LET ME KNOW AS I CAN TELL YOU HOW TO GET INTO THE TECH MENU TO FINE ADJUST THE CONVERGENCE ONCE THE SET IS REPAIRED.

You may not like this but this set will need to have the convergence adjusted first in the regular and then in the HD mode---if you have HD you are going to have to adjust the convergence twice--once in each mode.

FYI: with the back off if you get the set working wipe the three large lens clean with a lens cloth or a paper towel with glass cleaner sprayed on it---if the lens are dusty the picture will be darker or less distinct than it should be---annual cleaning of the lens is a good idea and easy to do.

SD TECH

Oct 29, 2009

- JUST CHECK THEM IN THE RESISTANCE MODE--ANY OPEN ONES WILL TEST OPEN- no need to just replace them all--just replace any that are bad.

SD TECH

Oct 29, 2009

- if you get a beep, it means they are good--no sound means open or bad--replace the chips and see what you have.

SD TECH

Nov 24, 2009

- You are right, if it is a AC fan it will cause problems. Just forget about it. The reason the chips fail is after several years the heat sink grease dries out from the heat. A fan is not going to slow this down. Be prepared every 5 to 8 years to have to replace the chips---cheaper than the electric bill for a fan running for 5-8 years.


SD TECH
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