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I have put new Battery on it a new key switch still no power

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I need a wiring diagram for a 2002 chevy s10 4 wheel drive 4.3 for the starter to the switch


If the truck cranks over you have voltage at the ignition switch ! From starter to switch , First off starter to what switch ,ignition ? There is a 175amp fuse that supply's battery voltage to the power distribution center - fuse box under the hood . On the lower right side of the radiator support, below the battery !

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What can it be? my jeep won't start, it does not crank and the battery is good.


wow one of the first posts ever to say, it wont crank....
very clear that. Its silent.
but is it automatic transmission, ill guess yes.
  1. fuses good.??
  2. battery terminals not green with rust.?
  3. does it crank in Neutral, as the operators manual states??
  4. you do know that new batteries, can be DISCHARGED right?
  5. so does jumper cable jump starts to a running donor car crank now? AAA Tow style? (oops new battery was discharged , charge it now)
  6. no, then hot wire the starter solenoid ,with keys in pocket.
  7. cranks now? , then starter is good. (i just saved you cash)
  8. no it doesn't crank now, the starter is bad, or engine is seized. (hand turn engine to discover that fact)
  9. cranks hot wired? yes,. that means the key line is dead.
  10. the Key line can be dead for 3+ reasons, aftermarket alarms added or remote start bs added, or transmission park/neutral switch is bad or ignition switch bad.
  11. to find #10 it takes a $10 volt meter, are you game?

Aug 18, 2015 | 2008 Jeep Compass

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The machine will not start. Absolutely nothing when I engage the key. Battery good


When I turn the key nothing happens.
There are several elements that go into cranking (turning over) the engine.
  1. Battery
  2. Fuse
  3. Key Switch (and wiring)
  4. Starter Solenoid
  5. Starter motor
Let's start with the battery. The quickest way to make your initial check of the entire starting system and particularly the battery is to get a jump. Yep, get some jumper cables and jump the mower off your car. Turn the key and try to start it in the normal fashion. If it starts cool! It is likely a bad battery.
  • Charge the battery for a few hours, on a charger.
  • Then perform a voltage measurement of the battery.
  • Switch a volt meter to DC Volts and clip it to the battery. It should read between 12-13 volts. If not the battery is suspect.
Now let's check the starting system while bypassing all the safety switches and wiring. How? You can perform this test simply by jumping the starter. Hold a wrench or fat screwdriver across the two large posts of the starter solenoid. This bypasses the key switch and all safety devices and directly drives the starter. Your starter will crank if the battery and starter are good and the engine is not locked up. Don't crank it for more that a couple seconds. You just want to verify the battery and the starter are both in good shape. (The engine will crank but not start during this test if the key is off, or if the safety switches and wiring are damaged, or in the no start/run positions.)

If the starter cranks try one more test. Run a small jumper wire from the positive post of the battery to the little terminal on the solenoid. You may have to take the small wire off the terminal, on the starter solenoid, in order to do this. When you apply this current from the battery to the terminal it should make the solenoid activate and the starter crank. This test bypasses the key switch and shows you the starter system is working. You could do this test first, if it works you do not need to do the first more basic test.

If these tests cause the engine to crank, but it will not crank with the key, then you know that you have a problem somewhere in your starter wiring and safety switch system.

Most modern riding mowers have the following safety switches:
  • Seat switch
  • PTO switch
  • Reverse switch (RIS) and Reverse Relay (RIO)
  • Brake/Clutch switch
If you need detailed instruction for testing your wiring and safety system, I will need your complete machine info.
  • Make
  • Model
  • Year
  • Engine Model
  • Transmission Model
  • Deck Size.

On a John Deere (100 series) the starting current flows through the following items in this order:
  1. Battery to Fuse then to the Key Switch.
  2. With key switch in the start position, Key Switch to PTO.
  3. With PTO off, PTO to Brake/Clutch
  4. With Brake/Clutch Pedal all the way down, the current flows to the starter solenoid.
  5. If the Starter Solenoid is in good shape, the solenoid connects the battery to the Starter and the engine cranks. Cranking does not mean running; it just means the engine turns over. Running is dependent on many other systems.
This list of components are all part of the cranking/starting system. They can prevent the Starter Motor from cranking when you turn the Key Switch.

The RIO is the Reverse Implement Option. It is a switch that latches and stays latched under certain conditions. It is activated by the RIS. The RIS is the Reverse Implement Switch. It activates the RIO. These two separate components work to allow the blades to spin while going backwards (without killing the engine)

The Seat and the RIO (the reverse latch not the button) are tied into the engine kill system by grounding the Coil. This same system controls the fuel shut off value beneath the carburetor. The Seat and RIO can keep the engine from running but they will not prevent the Starter Motor from cranking. Therefore, it you turn the key and nothing happens, it has nothing to do with the Seat and Reverse switches.

Note: In the run position, from the Key Switch, power flows to the Hour Meter, then to the RIO latch relay (not the RIS button), then to the fuel shut off solenoid. If you do not hear the Fuel Shut off Solenoid clicking on and off when you turn the Key Switch from off to run, there may be a problem in this circuit; including a possible problem in the Hour Meter. Of course none of this affects the cranking circuit. Your engine will still crank, it just won't run.

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Where is fusiable link in a 2001 jeep grand cherokee


4.0L or 4.7L engine> the park switches are different.

you pulled a starter with out removing battery neg lug?
is that it?
your post makes it hard to see what the story is.
you replaced starter because car would not CRANK
or
you replaced starter, and shorted out the big cable and boom
and now all things are dead. what?
ill assume car would not crank one day
and you gue$$ a bunch of parts and guessed wrong,
guessing is very expensive.
------------------------------Testing wins--------------------------------------
so no crank 101, posted 100 times. ILL ASSUME it's a A/T tranny.
(im ignoring new parts, i never assume anything works i test it)

  1. check all fuses in all boxes. using a voltmeter. 12vdc both sides key on and battery cables lugs area all clean and tight x4 ends.
  2. you check battery volts its 12.6vdc rested, good.
  3. you crank, and the solenoid just clicks. or only the starter relay only clicks, (more later on that)
  4. you see that battery voltage never drops below 11v and crank time. (11v is typ, tad less if in Alaska, or bad battery or not charged fully)
  5. You then jumper cable crank car, off a running donor car ,just like Mr. AAA tow does.... same to a fault. (google how) (hinting your battery is good, I have a battery load tester so can check)
  6. if this cranks ok, the battery is bad. (happens or is discharged)
  7. car still will not jumper crank.
  8. we next hot wire the starter small wire to big lug. keys in pocket. Called hot wiring a starter solenoid.
  9. engine does not crank, starter bad. or may be battery cables.
  10. engine does crank nice , my keys are in pocket ,see?
  11. ok starter is good, at test 10. so we now know its ok. easy huh>
  12. now we know the key line is bad. 1 wire. end to end. easy.
  13. you try to start in neutral, omg it starts. bad PRNDL switch.
  14. or its bad starter relay.


now we show how it cranks. good starter and battery (& cables)
keyon,
put shifter in to park then neutral and crank.? fails both?

the starter relay must close cranked, if not, bad park switch or bad relay
in this moment (cranking) there must be 12vdc across the 2 relay coil pins.
pin 85 and 86 with volt meter, if 0v, the PRNDL switch is bad.
or on 4.7L the TRS switch.
if the relay closes, then jb fuse f31 is ok and pdc f8 must be good.
and you then turn key to crank. and relay pin 87 goes to 11v to 12v.
this then is a single wire that goes directly to the starter solenoid
tiny wire , it goes to 12v and starter cranks, 11v what you see here
unless in alaska , less. (10v ?)

see red arrow what is voltage there cranking?
we can go fast , if you just do that.

25513501-qtmfudt4eg5vdkejwfy5ompz-5-0.jpg the transmission switch grounds the lower coil,here.
if not the starter will be dead forever.
both fuses must be good, or same.
12vdc arrives at top left fuse, and is hot only cranking.
if the right fuse, glows above the relay can not send power to the starter solenoid.

Mar 04, 2015 | 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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Where is the starter relay located on a 1993 jeep cherokee 2wd.


93 is first good year for all jeeps, lucky you are. YJ jeep.
which engine?
ask for help not parts, jeep.com parts online shows all parts so there is never a need to ask that.
ask why the starter is dead. (well what transmission) auto or stick?

no noise means NO CRANK, no engines un cranked but my M/T
fails hot and cold some times , good input , rare this. here.
and 2wd too boot, very rare this fact. stated.
ok.

when a car does not crank what do we do. (easy to hard just like AAA tow does)
  1. i wiggle key, at start position, crank now.?
  2. i wiggle the shifter, in park, and crank (PRNDL switch issues)
  3. same but move shifter to neutral, (keyon, foot on brake shift to neutral and crank, cranks now? neutral contacts good park bad.
  4. next if all above fails, (all free to do) we next check battery volts. 12.6vdc i good, 11v bad, charge it or get a new one.
  5. I then jumper cable jumper battery off runnning donor car, like AAA does. crank now? yes, battery has issues, common as nails that. No crank now, so.
  6. I then hot wire the starter soleniod. keys in pocket, it does not crank the starter is bad. it cranks now the key line is bad or

A real FSM book, online, and free.
http://www.jeep4x4center.com/knowledge-base/index.htm?utm_source=cj#service

click 93 jeep, click wiring. pdf page 64 shows your relay.
see that the fuses need to be good
and the PRNDL switch energizes the starter relay.
the PRNDL ground the relay coil , the coil gets power from the Ign. switch and RELAY pin 29 goes to 12v cranking (11v typ) and the starter cranks.
that is how it all works.
if you have a volt meter all this is super easy, and no guessing needed. ever.
if you buy a new relay and it dont fix it ,you will be back here.

Feb 11, 2015 | 1993 Jeep Cherokee Country

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02 gmc sonoma want crank.has new battery,new fuel filter,and two new 02 sensors.any suggestions


k, not cranking, is the battery good, if yes you could try to jump the starter and see if it cranks, if not you could pull it and have it tested. If the starter is good, might be the ignition switch.

Apr 10, 2010 | 2002 GMC Sonoma Extended Cab

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Will not crank, battery is good, starter has been


If automatic....neutral safety switch or anti theft.
If manual trans....clutch safety switch or anti theft.

Sep 29, 2009 | 2001 Nissan Pathfinder

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Takes several ''cranks'' to start van


your ignition switch might be worn or the ignition circuit might have build up resistance due to age. Some cars refuse to start when these things happen. The fix for this is a new electrical part of the ignition switch.

Good Luck

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