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My gas burners are working but my oven will not,the pilot light is lit and is blue but the minute turn oven control on the pilot light flame grows about to six inches high and is yellow and orange. it does not light up the oven burner,its supposed to take about 45 seconds but does not ignite

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Hi,

The issue with the oven , given the symptoms you've described , sounds like a faulty thermal couple, The "sensing" part of the pilot assembly needs to sit directly in the flame so when you turn "on" the oven control and the flame increases in intensity, the thermal couple can "open" the valve.

Since this is a "standing pilot" type gas range, there are no electic ignitor's for the oven, (actually it is, just not the electrically induced glow bar style). I digress, you'll need to either a) make sure the sensor for the thermal couple is not loose,check the tiny screws holding it to the pilot assy.(as a consequence not sensing the "pilot" flame) or b) replace the thermal couple itself for your range, and I think for that particular model it will come as a complete valve assembly. part #12002724 for around $45-50US. Don't just take my word for it though, double check that with your local parts depot or service provider.

**As an added note, some of those oven controls have a "set screw" for the pilot, it is behind the control dial on the oven control. You can try to adjust the pilot flame to insure the thermal couple is getting hot enough to open the valve. However, that should be left to an expert, and since you mentioned the pilot flame does increase when you turn the control "on", I doubt that is a problem.**

Hope that helps,

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Replace the lower igniter.

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