Question about Sewing Machines
This is called "nesting" and occurs when there is poor tension on the top thread. Un-thread your machine, use canned air (available at most office supply stores or any store that sells office products) and give a short blast of air into the side where the tension discs are located. Sometimes there will be a gob of thread or lint that is keeping the discs from closing all of the way. After doing this, check your upper tension to make sure it is set on the right number. For sewing with regular construction thread, such as cotton or 100% polyester, it should be set on 4. If you are sewing with monofilament thread or metallic thread, the number will be lower. The lower the number, the less the tension. After you have checked the tension, thread your machine with the foot in the UP position. One of the most common mistakes sewers make is threading the machine with the foot down. When the foot is in the up position, the tension discs are open and the thread can be fed in between them. Once you have threaded your machine and before you thread the needle, put the foot down. This closes the tension discs on the thread and keeps it from coming out while you thread the needle. Give a gentle tug on the thread. It should have good resistance. If it pulls freely off the spool, either it is not threaded correctly or you still have gunk in between your tension discs.
Now stitch out on some scrap fabric and you should have no more problems. If you continue to have nesting after doing these things, your problem could be with the type of fabric you are sewing in combination with the stitch you are trying to sew. If you are sewing with batik fabrics which have a very tight weave or with lightweight fabrics, you may have to use a straight stitch plate or wash-away stabilizer. Hope this helps!
Posted on Sep 12, 2009
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Posted on Jan 02, 2017
Always remember T-N-T. Thread, Needle, Tension. Assuming its threaded properly, is the needle all the way in and facing the right direction? These symptoms also suggest the bobbin may be in the bobbincase upside down thus turning in the wrong direction. Hope this helps.
Posted on Aug 23, 2007
SOURCE: Thread breaking.
Rethread the machine following these directions:
all machines thread the same. TTN tension, take up, needle.
Beginning with the spool, guide the thread through the thread guides to the tension assembly. Pull the thread through the tension assembly and test it to make sure the tension is working correctly.
(To do this test, adjust your tension setting to normal or medium or 5 or something in the middle. Raise the presser foot and pull the thread through the tension. It should pull easily!! Lower the presser foot and pull the thread. It should pull noticeably harder.) If it passes this test, continue up through the take up lever,then down through the thread guides to the needle. Make sure your needle is fully inserted and turned the correct way.( If you load your bobbin case from the left side,the needle rule is normally FLAT to the RIGHT is RIGHT. There are some exceptions. If you have a newer style drop in bobbin or your bobbin case loads in the front then the rule is FLAT to the BACK.
Remove the bobbin case and bobbin. Pull on the bobbin thread to make sure it doesn't pull too hard. It should have some tension on it but not a lot. Insert the bobbin and bobbin case into the hook assembly and pull on the bobbin thread again.The tension should still be about the same. If it is tight, you need to look at the bottom of the pin that the bobbin case sits on and see if there are any threads looped around it. If there are , you need to remove them.
Hold the top thread , turn the hand wheel and see if the thread is catching someplace around the hook assembly. If it pulls the thread up easily, put some fabric in it and see how it works.
Make sure the thread is through the take up lever.
Posted on Jul 10, 2008
I am in the middle of fixing this same error. I phoned Brother service in Manchester and they are spot on. Give them a try, they talk you through the problem and suggest things to do to narrow down the cause. Make sure you have the model and serial number as this saves time. In extreem cases you can send your machine to them by parcel post and they will look at it free of charge and then give you an estimate for any repairs needed. If you decide not to go ahead, you can elect to have the machine returned to you for the cost of the postage.
In my case I bought the machine second hand off of E-bay and was getting the dreaded tangle/needle message. I phoned the service department and I was told to thread the machine up and switch on. Then they give you several things to try. Essentially you need to get someone to press the start button while you immediately turn the handwheel forward gently and smoothly.
If this stops the message coming up then you must suspect the motor or its fuse. In my case, it would seem the machine had been dropped as there was a hairline crack in the circuit board which stopped the power getting to the motor.
Posted on Jul 30, 2009
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Specific detail on bobbin case adjustment (with picture) near halfway down reply, the remainder will help you achieve a balance of top and bottom tensions.
Ensure that all is clean and free of lint and jams, this is the most likely cause....now for tension troubleshooting .......
This solution is for tension problems...if you cannot form any sort of stitch, the issue is quite different, so please let me know if you need a different problem solved.....
It is quite long, but just work through each section in order.
The "knotting up" can reveal a lot. If you have loose threads on one side or the other, the tension on the opposite side will be the culprit.
QUICK SUMMARY FIRST:
Ensure sharp new needle,
Thread guides and Bobbin are Clean & Clear of lint
Set Top Tesion to 4 ....then....
Balance Bobbin to suit.
TOP THREAD TENSION:
If the looping threads are on the underside as you sew, it is the top tension. Top tension ought to be between 4 & 6 (this variation to allow for the different weights of fabric in your projects).
IS YOUR NEEDLE SHARP ?
If you are using a needle that has seen quite a deal of work, or you suspect it may be blunt, change it for a new one !
TOP TENSION & GUIDES:
Make sure that when you thread the machine the presser foot is up so the thread goes between the discs and not to one side, top tension between 4 and 6, and that you have threaded through all the guides, including the last one, usually on the needle arm, just above the needle clamp.
It may be there is lint trapped between the discs, this will keep them slightly apart and reduce the actual tension, sometimes dramatically.
If tensions appear correct, and the thread is definitely in the channel between the discs, but still too loose and looping, try raising presser foot and remove your thread.
Now, with a 2" (50mm) wide strip piece of fabric 8 - 10" (20 - 25cm) moistened with methylated or denatured spirit, gently insert the fabric strip and clean between the discs with a see saw / to and fro action.
In the worst cases, gentle use of a needle to pick & remove the jam may be necessary, but be very gentle and make sure the tension is set at Zero and the presser foot is raised, (to disengage tension plates).... do not gouge or score the plates, they need a polished surface to work correctly.
Far less common, but if the loose threads are on the top, it is bobbin tension that is loose, it too may have lint in the spring and be giving a "false" tension.
I would not recommend fiddling with bobbin tension without good reason, it may end up with missing small screws and spring pieces, however, you can take the needle plate off to clean
the hook race area (where bobbin case sits)
...this is just good housekeeping, my wife does this every time she replaces the bobbin....
just take it out and clean the bobbin case and the fixed metal hook race with a small brush to remove lint. If there is a significant amount of lint, use a vacuum and small brush to get the worst.
Then wipe all this area with a cloth or cotton bud (Q tip) moistened (not soaked) with methylated spirit, especially if there appears to be fine dirty deposits....oil and lint combine to conspire against you.
If it seems likely that you ......really ....do .....actually .....need .....to adjust the bobbin case, first check there is no lint trapped in the metal spring where the thread is tensioned.
Drop-in Bobbin case will look similar to this image with the tension screw in the middle of the metalwork....
...the other screw at one end is holding it all together, so beware....it is not a tragedy to undo the whole lot and clean it, but very gingerly and lay the bits out in sequence and orientation, or you risk tearing your hair out !
....this is a bobbin case from a front loading machine and works in a very similar fashion to the top loader with drop in bobbin, again, if you dismantle it, take care so you can put it all
GETTING THE BALANCE RIGHT:
When you are certain there's no trapped lint in top tension or bobbin, set the top tension to 4 and the bobbin tension to a point where you just begin to feel resistance.
Try using good quality thread of contrasting colours so you can more easily spot the changes.
Set your zigzag to one width less than maximum (eg. 5 of 6 ...or... 4 of 5 etc) and sew a sample for a few inches and check the result.... adjust the bobbin tension screw very little at
a time, perhaps 1/16 of a turn.
You may find you are playing with this balance for some little while and if you are putting the needleplate on and off each time begin to think it cannot be correct to do this.....BUT....it is,
and eventually, you do get a "feel" for the correct tension and then it happens quite quickly.....as a user you won't be doing it very often unless there is lint built up (or are there small hands at work around the house !?!?!)
If you live near the ocean as we do, salt air can play havoc with metalwork inside and out, so to help minimise this, keep a few small packets of dessicant (silica gel) in your machine
case....no case ? then make some sort of cover !
Same applies in any damp or humid environment, keep your machine dry and dust free.
Budget for a proper full service every couple of years (more often if heavily used) and if you don't use your machine for a few years, be aware that old oil will dry out and combining with
dust and form a "clag" like glue (another reason for some sort of cover, even a teatowel !)
FINALLY, A WORD ON THREAD:
If it is worth spending the time, energy and money on making something that you would like to give lasting enjoyment......use quality thread, .......it may seem to cost a little more at the
time, but the results, ease of use and added longevity will be worth the extra, and as a bonus, your tension troubles may be fewer and further between, because there is a more consistent diameter with good thread, and less compensating to be done by your tension plates and less thread breaks
Posted on Aug 30, 2009
Hi! This is the machine I use (mostly) and I've found it really doesn't like lint. I brush out lint every few hours and it has made a huge difference in how my machine sews. I suspect your machine may be as sensitive to lint as my is, so give her a really good cleaning. Then, rethread (yes, I know you've done that already, but do it again, for grins.) everything. Pay careful attention to the way the bobbin thread comes off the bobbin (from left to right) when you rethread. If you usually use the automatic bobbin pickup, don't. Pick up the bobbin thread the regular way, and, holding the top thread and bobbin thread securely in your left hand, start to sew.
I sure hope this helps!
Please let me know if this works, ok?
Posted on Jan 29, 2010
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