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Main blower not working. Was working sometimes. Could it be the power mod or is it the main climate contror. Tried a class 2 scan tool and it displayed Climate Control. How can I test the main controler. Do I need an "O" Scope? What about the Power Mod?

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2005 Cadillac dhs front drivers side seat heater switch does not glow and no heat. Fuses are fine, what's next?

Check for battery power on the orange wire pin D and ground (black wire) pin C- Brown wire pin B should be ignition hot on connector C1 on the Driver Climate Control Seat Module located under the driver seat. If you have power and ground, you may need to use a scan tool to see if there are any codes stored in the module. If the scan tool is unable to communicate with this module, it could either be a bad module or a network problem. If you are missing either battery, ignition hot, or ground- then repair as needed

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Just bought a 2006 Lincoln Zephyr. The heated and cooled seats do not work. Every other button and function on the climate control works properly besides the heated and cooled seats, both driver and...

Tried resetting fuse's ????? how do you reset a fuse ?

The climate control seat system is able to heat and cool the front seats. Each climate controlled seat is operated by push-buttons on the EATC module located on the instrument panel. Each front seat temperature is then monitored and controlled by the dual climate control seat module (DCSM) located on the passenger front seat track.
The climate controlled seat system contains the following components:
  • EATC module
  • DCSM
  • Thermo-electric device (TED) and blower assembly within each front seat cushion and backrest
  • Air filter (attached to each TED and blower assembly)
  • Cushion and backrest manifolds
  • Cushion and backrest foam pads
  • Cushion and backrest trim covers
  • YOUR best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop . Unless you have factory service repair info. an a professional scan tool , This heated an cooling seat system can set DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes in the heated seat module .

Climate Controlled Seat System
NOTE: When installing a new dual climate control seat module (DCSM), it is necessary to carry out programmable module installation (PMI). For additional information, refer to Section 418-01 .


Both the driver and front passenger climate controlled seats are independently controlled electronically by the DCSM mounted to the bottom of the passenger seat cushion. The climate controlled seat system only operates with the engine running, however, if using a diagnostic tool to command the DCSM, diagnostic testing can be carried out with the ignition switch key ON engine OFF (KOEO). The system receives power from battery junction box (BJB) fuse 12 (30A) feeding battery voltage on circuit SBB12 (GN/RD) into DCSM C3305a pin F. The system also receives power from BJB fuse 11 (30A) feeding battery voltage on circuit SBB11 (BU/RD) into DCSM C3305a pin E.
If only one of the BJB fuses 11 or 12 open, both seats will remain operational because the power feed circuits are internally connected in the DCSM.
Both climate controlled seats operate independently. If a fault occurs setting a DTC specific to either climate controlled seat, only the affected seat will be disabled by the module and the other will remain operational.
The 4 switches (identified with seat icons) on the dual-zone electronic automatic temperature control (EATC) module activate each seat system setting and illuminate LEDs above each switch to indicate the operating mode, 3 LEDs for HIGH, 2 LEDs for MED or 1 LED for LOW. The push-buttons with the blue seat icon operate the seat cooling mode and the push-buttons with the red seat icon operate the seat heating mode. The climate controlled seat system is not equipped with auto-mode.
Each driver and front passenger seat cushion is equipped with a thermo-electric device (TED) assembly that includes a seat blower (fan motor, serviced as an assembly with the TED). Similarly, each driver and front passenger seat backrest is also equipped with its own TED assembly with blower. Cabin air is drawn through the blower and distributed to each of the TED modules located in the seat cushion and backrest. The TEDs then heat or cool the air. The air is then directed into the foam pad and manifold where it is distributed along the surface of the cushion and backrest of the seat. Once the system is activated, the DCSM uses a set of flexible algorithms to control the heating/cooling modes and the blower speed dependant on the EATC seat switch settings.

The TED uses a ''Peltier'' circuit of P-type and N-type semiconductors connected in series using copper electrical conductors. The semiconductors are sandwiched between 2 copper heat exchangers. When current is applied to the TED, one side releases energy as heat, while the opposite side absorbs energy and gets cold. By reversing the current flow, the hot and cold sides reverse.
NOTE: Avoid applying power directly to a TED for testing its operation. Doing so may cause damage to the TED or shorten its usable life.
The temperature differences between the individual heated and cooled settings is minimal. For example, it is difficult to distinguish between LOW COOL and MEDIUM COOL settings. Measuring seat temperature at different settings is possible by monitoring the DCSM PIDs using the diagnostic tool.
The EATC module communicates climate controlled seat commands to the DCSM using the medium speed controller area network (MS-CAN) communication bus. The MS-CAN bus is connected to the data link connector (DLC) for diagnostic use. No direct connection exists between the DCSM and EATC for the climate controlled seat switches. The climate controlled seats can be commanded using the diagnostic tool to verify both module communication on the MS-CAN bus and operation of the DCSM. This method may be useful for isolating a control switch concern. It should also be noted that because CAN bus communication is more robust and reliable than other methods, it may be possible to have limited module communication with one of the CAN bus circuits disconnected or shorted to ground. Refer to Section 418-00 for additional information concerning CAN bus communication.
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I have a 2004 yukon xl 1500 2WD and the keyless entry has stopped working. Replaced the fobs a year ago and that fixed the problem for awhile. Where is the module located and which fuse protects it?

Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop that has a diagnostic scanner that can check for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble code's an input's from the fob's an messaging from the passenger door module to the BCM. Does the power window & power locks work for the passenger door ? If so , it's not a fuse .
The keyless entry system has the following main components:
• The transmitters
• The passenger door module (PDM)
The PDM communicates with the body control module (BCM) through the keyless entry serial data circuit. When you press a button on a transmitter, the transmitter sends a signal to the PDM. The PDM sends a request to the BCM and the BCM performs the appropriate function.

Diagnostic System Check - Remote Keyless Entry
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
Lack of communication may be due to a partial malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit or due to a total malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit. The specified procedure will determine the particular condition.
The presence of DTCs which begin with "U" indicate some other module is not communicating. The specified procedure will compile all the available information before tests are performed. Any other body control module DTCs displayed by the scan tool do not apply to Remote Keyless Entry and should be diagnosed in the applicable section.

Install a scan tool.
Does the scan tool power up?
YES - Go to Step 2
NO - Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications
2
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Attempt to establish communication with the following control modules.
• body control module
• passenger door module
Does the scan tool communicate with all of the listed control modules?
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Did you check for BCM codes
DTC B1477
Retained Accessory Power Circuit Low
DTC B1478
Retained Accessory Power Circuit High
DTC B1397
Device Voltage Reference Out #1 CKT Low
DTC B1398
Device Voltage Reference Out #1 CKT High
Charging system check ?

Diagnostic System Check - Retained Accessory Power
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.

  1. Lack of communication may be due to a partial malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit or due to a total malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit. The specified procedure will determine the particular condition.

  2. This step is checking for DTCs in the BCM.

  3. This step is checking for RAP specific DTCs.

Step

Action

Yes

No

1

Install a scan tool.

Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 2
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications

2

  1. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  2. Attempt to establish communication with the body control module.

Does the scan tool communicate with the BCM?
Go to Step 3
Go to
Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications

3

Important: The engine may start during the following step. Turn OFF the engine as soon as you have observed the Crank power mode.

  1. Access the Class 2 Power Mode in the Diagnostic Circuit Check on the scan tool.
  2. Rotate the ignition switch through all positions while observing the Class 2 Power Mode on the Scan Tool. Refer to the Serial Data Power Mode table within the Body Control System Description and Operation in Body Control Systems, for a list of the power mode states that correspond to each ignition switch position.

Does the Class 2 Power Mode parameter reading match the ignition switch position for all the selected positions?
Go to Step 4
Go to Power Mode Mismatch in Body Control System

4

Select the BCM display DTCs function on the scan tool.

Does the scan tool display any DTCs?
Go to Step 5
Go to the Symptoms list in the appropriate service category

5

Does the scan tool display B1477 or B1478?
Go to
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Is check engine light Lit ? You should have all the computers on the vehicle check for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes ! Check the battery an all connections !
Diagnostic Starting Point - Engine Electrical
Begin the system diagnosis with the Diagnostic System Check - Engine Electrical . The Diagnostic System Check will provide the following information:
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The identification of the control module(s) which command the system.


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The ability of the control modules to communicate through the serial data circuit.


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The identification of any stored diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) and their status.

The use of the Diagnostic System Check will identify the correct procedure for diagnosing the system and where the procedure is located.
Diagnostic System Check - Engine Electrical
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
Lack of communication may be due to a partial malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit or due to a total malfunction of the class 2 serial data circuit. The specified procedure will determine the particular condition.
The symptom list in Symptoms will determine the correct diagnostic procedure to use.
The presence of DTCs which begin with "U" indicate some other module is not communicating. The specified procedure will compile all the available information before tests are performed.
Step
Action
Yes
No

1
Did you perform the Battery Inspection/Test?
Go to Step 2
Go to Battery Inspection/Test

2
Install a scan tool.
Does the scan tool power up?
Go to Step 4
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Power Up in Data Link Communications

3
Important: The engine may start during the following step. Turn OFF the engine as soon as you have observed the Crank power mode.
Access the Class 2 Power Mode in the Diagnostic Circuit Check on the scan tool.
Rotate the ignition switch through all positions while observing the Class 2 Power Mode on the Scan Tool. Refer to the Serial Data Power Mode table within the Body Control System Description and Operation in Body Control System for a list of the power mode states that correspond to each ignition switch position.
Does the Class 2 Power Mode parameter reading match the ignition switch position for all the selected positions?
Go to Step 4
Go to Power Mode Mismatch in Body Control System

4
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Attempt to communicate with each module on the class 2 serial data circuit:
• The body control module (BCM)
• The driver information center (DIC)
• The instrument panel cluster (IPC)
• The powertrain control module (PCM)
Does the scan tool communicate with any module on the class 2 serial data circuit?
Go to Step 5
Go to Scan Tool Does Not Communicate with Class 2 Device in Data Link Communications

5
Select the Display DTCs function for each module. If using a Tech 2, use the Class 2 DTC Check feature in order to determine which modules have DTCs set.
Record all of the displayed DTCs the DTC status and the module which set the DTC.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs?
Go to Step 6
Go to Symptoms - Engine Electrical

6
Does the scan tool display any DTC beginning with "U"?
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Data Link Communications
Go to Step 7

7
Does the scan tool display any DTC beginning with "B"?
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List in Body Control Systems
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC)

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Your system air condition is controled by a climate control.The panel will be at fault,You can pull a code using a scan tool that reads MBZ climate control,The solution for the fix is the climate control this is a module
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Take it an have it check at a qualified repair shop for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes . Could have problem with the liftgate/endgate module. Don't try guessing to find a repair .
The keyless entry system has the following main components:
• The transmitters
• The endgate module (EGM) (XUV only)
• The liftgate module (LGM) (Except XUV)
When you press a button on a transmitter, the transmitter sends a signal to the liftgate module. The module interprets the signal and activates the requested function via a class 2 message over the serial data line.
Do you know what class 2 serial data communication network is ?

You need a scan tool to program the remotes .
Program All Key Fobs
To complete this programming operation, all keyless entry transmitters associated with the vehicle must be available for programming. Once placed into program mode, all previously programmed transmitters will be erased from memory upon the receipt of the programming signal from the first transmitter.
Close the lift gate.
Ignition ON, access the scan tool Liftgate Module Setup menu and select Program All Key Fobs.
Follow the the scan tool on screen instructions in order to program the transmitters. Select "Start" on the scan tool to enter the program mode.
As each transmitter is successfully programmed, the scan tool will show how many transmitters have been placed into memory.
When all transmitters are programmed, exit the program mode by selecting "Stop" on the scan tool. The vehicle will not respond to the transmitters until the program mode is exited.
Operate the transmitter functions in order to verify correct system operation.

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2 wheel drive or 4 X 4 ? Automatic or manual climate control
Do you know what DTC'S - diagnostic trouble code's are ?
DTC B1375
The ignition 3 voltage circuit is a discrete input to the HVAC control module. The HVAC control modules uses the input to determine that the ignition switch is in the RUN position. When the ignition switch is in the RUN position, ignition voltage is applied to the input.
Rather then guessing as to what the problem , not being able to diagnose properly , your best bet mite be to have a qualified repair shop check it out . Would need to hook up a professional or factory scan tool to check code's ,see if the climate control module will communicate with the tool .
HVAC Control Module
The HVAC control module is a class 2 device that interfaces between the operator and the HVAC system to maintain air temperature and distribution settings. The battery positive voltage circuit provides power that the control module uses for keep alive memory (KAM). If the battery positive voltage circuit loses power, all HVAC DTCs and settings will be erased from KAM. The body control module (BCM), which is the vehicle mode master, provides a device on signal.
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