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95 model thunderbird, runs great until idle, cuts out no spark bike starts again when it feels like it. when idling engine randomly miss fires as if you were flicking the kill switch on and off quickly. have fittered a new ignter box and bridged side stand switch

  • brassrat May 11, 2010

    Sounds like a bad ignition coil. A bad coil can have a break in an internal winding that only separates when hot. The engine will run fine until the coil gets hot. It will go intermittent and then fail. After it cools, it works again. I've seen this happen on many different makes of machines. The same affect could be caused by some other electrical component, but not as likely. Igniter boxes in my experience either work or don't work at all. I cannot guarantee this will fix it, but the coil is what I would test first. Anyone concur?

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The pick-up coils fail sometimes but usually lead to a complete failure
Before just replacing parts u can eliminate some suspects ie kill switch,clutch switch & ignition switch by bridging
Also check that there isnt a spark jumping from an HT lead or plug cap

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A Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected unfortunately doesn't tell you specifically which cylinder(s) is/are mis-firing, nor why.

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