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Flush valve drops before bowl completes flush

I recently replaced an old flush valve on my American Standard toilet which did not seal properly. Now, when I flush, the new valve drops before the tank drains, causing the toilet to stop flushing prematurely.

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  • alchus May 11, 2010

    The flush valve is the one attached to the water supply. The large rubber valve at bottom centre is actually called the flapper valve. I just wanted to make sure it was the flush valve you replaced. You should also know that the tank is not supposed to empty (so the seals don't dry out) but of course you should be getting a complete flush.

  • Kenneth Reaume' May 11, 2010

    did you install the American Standard fluch valve with an OEM replacement or did you use a Fluidmaster replacement?

  • Anonymous Mar 19, 2014

    seal leaks and tank keeps refilling

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Is the flapper weighted? if it is it will cause it to shut prematurely. one thing you can do is increase the water in the tank. you might have to buy a pvc cuppler to put on the over flow to allow it to fill up more. korky makes a nice flapper thats not weighted

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Sorry for problem with new toilet.
You say water is leaking out of the bowl?

Toilets have 2 parts:
1) Tank: where water is stored for the flush and is sealed with a flapper.
2) Bowl: where water flushes down.

a) If tank is leaking water, then flapper is suspect. Replace flapper and see if that works.
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There must either be a problem with the seal between the two surfaces of the flapper and flush valve or the flapper is being prevented by the flush system to returning to make a seal against the flush valve after the water completes draining during the flush cycle or more likely water is draining through the overflow tube.

Make sure the sealing surfaces are clean and not damaged.

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