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Trips GFI circuit brakers

My recently acquired ESP8XL trips GFI circuit brakers after about 30 - 40 seconds of turning on the machine (warming Up). But if I connect it to a non GFI receptacle, the machine is able to work as intended. What might be the problem?

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First of all, lets clarify what is going on. You say it trips the GFI breaker, so I'm assuming that it is not a GFCI receptacle that you are plugging into. So you are going to the electrical panel and resetting the GFCI breaker.  If it were a GFCI receptacle, have you tried other loads in this receptacle for 30-40 seconds, ie: Toaster, hairdryer, coffee pot? If everything works fine then there is something wrong with the ESP8XL. It would seem that there is a leakage path to ground from one of the conductors. If it is new, bring it back.

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Push the test button on the GFI breaker.
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Push the switch on the GFI breaker all of the way toward the off position.
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Remove the screw that holds the dead front covering the breaker's connections.
Remove the dead front cover.

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Test for power with your voltmeter set on AC volts on the highest scale.
For a single pole GFI breaker, touch the black lead from the tester to the silver screw on the GFI breaker and touch the red lead from the tester to the brass screw on the GFI breaker.
You should see 110 volts on the tester. If voltage is seen but the test button won't trip the breaker, then the breaker is bad and should be replaced.

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Test for power on a two pole breaker by touching the red voltmeter lead to one of screws with a black or red wire connected to it.
Touch the black lead to the other screw with a black or red wire connected to it.
You should read 220 volts or close to it on your voltmeter.
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What to do if the breaker won't reset and keeps tripping when turned on
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Unplug everything that is plugged into any of the outlets on the circuit in question.
Try resetting the breaker again by pushing the switch all the way to the off position and then turning it back to the on position.
If it won't reset and trips when the breaker's switch hits the on position, it could be a bad breaker or a problem in the circuit itself.
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Use your straight-tipped screwdriver to loosen the brass connection screw or screws on the GFI breaker.
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Reconnect the black wire, or wires, to the brass screws on the GFI breaker.
Reconnect the white wire to the silver screw on the GFI breaker.

10
Replace the dead front cover into the breaker panel.
Install the screw or screws that hold the dead front in place.



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