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The stitches on the underside are looping I’ve retreaded both the needle and bobbin and neither makes a difference

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You are getting a thread mess under the fabric? Frequently, this occurs because the top thread is not fully seated in the tension disk.

Install a brand new needle.
Remove the top thread from the machine.
ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot and rethread the machine from the beginning.
If necessary, adjust the top tension so the top and bobbin threads meet in the middle of the fabric.

Sewing Machine Thread Bunching Up Here Why

Birds nest under the fabric big loops of thread top side looks good...

TIP Avoid Thread Bird Nesting with these Four Tips Stitching Sewcial

Troubleshooting Thread Nesting Sew Toot

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coesew

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  • Posted on Jun 05, 2008

SOURCE: Janome Memory Craft 9500 Troubleshooting

The solution that I found last night was the thread tension. I have never touched the dial, only had it set on 'auto." When I started playing with it, I realized the top thread should be really easy to pull through the machine and it wasn't. I started turning the dial (to 3 or 4) and the thread slid through the machine perfectly. No more birds nest! I really thought it was bobbin initially because of the horrible sound it was making.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Oct 24, 2008

SOURCE: Thread loosens underneath intermittently. Stitches not consistent.

take it to a serviceman.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Oct 30, 2008

SOURCE: Bobbin continues to pose problem - knotting thread underside of fabric,

In 99% of all problems with "bird's nesting" or "knotting" it is an issue of the thread coming out of the take up lever (at threading guide #3) (from the spool; through the first thread guide at #1 down to #2 and up to # 3) when the thread comes out of the take up lever, the machine can not regulate the thread and it floods the machien with thread and wraps itself around the bobbin case. OR! Your tension is too loose. Raise it. Your machine should preform perfect at tension #4 unless you are using speciality threads or fabrics.

ALWAYS be in the habit of threading your machine with presser foot up so that while threading between paths 1 and 2 you are certain to have the thread pass throught the tension disks.

This will happen on a $50.00 machine or a $5,000 machine. The thread needs to be regulated.

USE GOOD THREAD!

Thanks,

Bonnie

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 24, 2009

SOURCE: tension

Several things to try, I have this set up and after six months I'm still trying to get some issues resolved.  First make sure the machine is treaded correctly, the Juki doesn't thread like most machines, make sure you have the bobbin going the correct way.  After the machine then it has to be in the frame which means that the fabric is most likely to tight, this is a common problem, if you are bending the bars then it is too tight.  Also, look at how the quilt is in relationship to the frame, is it level?  As you quilt and roll, you will need to adjust the frame up, the quilted part should not drag on the machine and the to be quilted part should not be below the machine.  It is a critical that the frame and the machine be even with each other, if not the machine will try to pull and won't sew correctly.  Also, another tip, after each quilt change your needle, the reason is that free motion is technically bending the needle.  Hope all this helps.  

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 21, 2009

SOURCE: Singer CG 550 Top thread keeps wraping around the bobbin and jam

Have you checked the top thread is correctly placed in the spring of the bobbin case?

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Singer 1120 is leaving large loops on the underside every few stitches. Sometimes the thread is even broken. I have checked tension, changed needles 4 times and also changed thread 3 times.

Did you happen to reload your bobbin and then it started shortly there after?

Maybe try a different fabric, thread, and bobbin, just to test the machine.
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I have threaded and retreaded, changed bobbins and a new needle, but I can still pull the top thread out of my fabric. What can I do?

Are the two threads forming a stitch but just very loosely? If the top thread is merely laying on the surface of the fabric and the bobbin thread loop is appearing on the top, it sounds like the bobbin tension is too loose. Tension is correct when the top and bobbin threads meet in the middle of the fabric. In this case, your bobbin needs to be pulling the top thread down into the fabric.

Understanding Thread Tension Threads
NOTE--before making any bobbin tension changes, be sure to mark where the beginning tension is set, ie the slot on the screw. If you make a mistake, at least you will know how to reverse your changes.

If your machine is not forming any stitches (be sure to try a brand new needle), then it has probably been knocked out of time. Search for "sewing machine timing" or take it for service.
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Most of the time the bobbin stitch is correct. Occasionally there is a loop in the bobbin thread. Any suggestions as to what this could be?

Is it actually the bobbin thread that loops or is the loop appearing on the underside of the fabric as you stitch? If it is a loop under the fabric, that's usually an indication it is an upper thread issue. Thread irregularities that appear on the topside of the fabric are generally bobbin related.

First thing to try is installing a brand new needle. Verify it is the correct needle for the fabric and thread being used.
All About Needles
Sometimes, the fabric being stitched will "grab" the thread and hold it for a second before releasing and will cause a loop. In this case, a needle with a larger scarf and eye may be helpful.

You might also open the upper tension as much as possible, RAISE the presser foot and run a piece of UNwaxed dental floss through the tension disk a few times to clear out any gunk that may be stuck there. A piece of pearl cotton dipped in rubbing alcohol and squeezed moist/dry will also work.

Remove the upper thread. RAISE the presser foot and rethread the top thread from the beginning. Use only fresh, good quality thread--NO old or bargain bin variety! Try using the same thread in the top and bobbin. Make sure the thread is firmly seated in the tension disk and the thread path is correct. Check that there are no burrs or snags in the thread path that could be catching the upper thread. Especially, check that the thread is not catching on the spool "slit" that holds the thread when in storage. Every time the thread navigates around the thread spool, it could be catching on that slit just enough to cause a loop.

Try changing the bobbin. There could be something amiss with the current bobbin--could be nicked or could even be the wrong bobbin for the machine. Also, make sure the bobbin is loaded and turning the correct direction in the machine.

Set the upper tension to the midway point. This is usually the starting point, although it will probably require some tweaking. Test your stitch and adjust the tension so the upper and bobbin threads meet in the middle of the fabric. Neither thread should dominate one side of the fabric or the other.

Understanding Thread Tension Threads

Last thing to try is a different presser foot.

If you still have the intermittent loop, you might want to take it for service. Could be a problem within the tension disk.
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Looped threads

Hello Rosemary
Looped thread on the underside are created by the upper thread. Loops on the top of the fabric are created by the bobbin thread. Whichever one is looping, has very little tension. This may be corrected by:
1. Re-threading the upper thread according to manufacturer's specifications.
2. Re-wind bobbin and re-set it into bobbin case and bobbin case area according to manufacturer's specifications.
3. Ensure that the needle is correctly installed and is the correct needle for the sewing machine.
4. Ensure that he bobbin being used is the correct one for the machine.
5. Double check that the tension on the upper thread is at the correct setting.
6. Double check that the tension unit is clean and free of dust, lint or lodged thread/s.
7. Double check that the bobbin tension is correctly set ... if you are comfortable doing so, otherwise leave it for a qualified technician
8. Make sure that he presser foot is down when stitching.
Please let me know how you go.
Happy stitching.
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Faulty stitching

check to make sure that the timing is correct for the loop to be made..guessing 3- 4 mm past bottom center. also the thread size can make a difference. it may be catching in the basket at the positioning finger for the basket.it must be able to slip past the finger to create a stitch. hope that helps point you in the correct direction.
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My top thread keeps snapping on my consew 118. There are loops on the underside when I stitch with it and the thread keeps snapping at the needle. It is threaded right but it keeps happening literally...

The top thread breaks
1. the needle thread is not threaded properly
2. The needle thread tension is to tight
3. The needle is bent or blunt
4. The needle is incorrectly inserted
5. The needle thread & the bobbin thread are not set under the presser foot when starting to sew
6. the threads were not drawn to the rear after sewing
7. The thread is either to heavy or to fine for the needle
8. Try a different spool or cone of thread



Thread looping on the bottom of your fabric can be caused by little or no top tension or too much bobbin tension. Another cause is thread or lint caught in the top tension.
Make sure the thread is between the tension discs and that no thread or lint is caught
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Sewing machine not working in reverse

try a new needle
try a different thread top and bobbin
try adjusting the top thread tension one number or letter at a time
higher sewing on a scrap piece of paper till the stitches look
normal
make sure the top thread does not come off the thread take up lever
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My mums lemair Helvetia, when on zigzag only, mucks up every 4th stitch. It forms a thread loop on the underside. And what needle is the correct needle for this machine?

it's possible that the gear or cam that make the zig zag stitch is
worn or broken or loose, there's no way to know for sure with out
having a sewing machine shop look at the machine.
you mentioned the needle, when sewing on cotton you need one
kind of needle and for knits you need a different needle, so
according to what kind of fabric that tell what kind of needle has to
be used for the stitches to come out right.
also check the top tenison--on a scrap fabric,,try to tighten the top
tension and see if the helps stop the thread loops on the underside.
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I keep getting loops of thread on the under side of the fabric. i have tried different stitches, different needle sizes, different thread, different tension settings, different stitch lengths, everything i...

Hi. Loops on the underside of the fabric are generally caused by the upper tension being too loose. Use a size 12 needle, and size 50 thread with different colors in the upper thread and in the bobbin. Sew an inch or so, look at the stitch and adjust, tightening the tension just a bit at a time.

There's more detail in the tip I wrote about adjusting tension.

Hope this helps!

Robbie
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My bobbin housing seems to be messed up. I follow all the directions in the manual, but nothing helps. My bobbin stitches are looping on the underside, my machine keeps breaking needles. I'm just trying to...

Ok, if the bottom thread is looping (bottom of fabric) try adjusting your UPPER tension.

Make sure that your thread isn't catching on anything before it reaches your needle, a small snag can cause needles to break.
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