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Winding bobbin on 4411 with right tension

My bobbin fills but the thread is too loose

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Hello Joyce Strohl
This happens quite often when the thread is not totally engaged through the tension disc before reaching the empty bobbin. You can refer to page 12 or the free downloadable manual found at this link: http://www.singerco.com/uploads/download/1230_4411_heavy_duty_esf.pdf
Note that the thread must winde around the tensioning device in a letter "e" style to be effective.
Place the "mushy" bobbin where the spool of thread normally resides and winde the mushy thread onto another empty bobbin .... this way there is no loss of good thread.

Happy Stitching
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you could start at sewingpartsonline.com, they have a list of Elna models with manuals and spare parts. You will need to find the model number however, it should be on the right side panel, a little plate with Tavaro SA and a two digit code number. If its a Lotus code might be 15, 25, 35 or 36. Also, if you do have a Lotus, please go to my solutions and find mine regarding winding a bobbin. The Lotus has no tensioner on the bobbin winding so it is critical that you tension the thread by applying your hand or scissors to the top of the thread spool as the thread winds off it and use your finger to nudge the thread so it feeds onto the bobbin nice and evenly. If you bobbin has wound without tension then the thread will be loose and uneven and you will never get a good stitch from it. Also, check that you are clicking the bobbin thread into the tension spring on the bobbin case. I'll attach an image to assist.
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Consult your owner's manual. Possibly, you are not threading the bobbin winder correctly. The thread does go through a tensioner somewhere along the way that creates tension on the thread.
Janome MEMORY CRAFT 9700 Instruction Book Threading For Bobbin Winding
Or perhaps the tensioner is not working properly.

If neither is problem, then you can always pick up a stand-alone bobbin winder (Amazon, JoAnn's, etc) for ~$30. One brand is called Sidewinder. These bobbin winders are marvelous because you can wind bobbins without unthreading your machine. It also saves wear and tear on your machine.

Or take your machine for service.

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You need to ensure that the thread is going from the thread spool at the back of the machine, through the eyelet, then around the silver tension disc on top of the machine, then to the bobbin when you are winding it. Also, pull the thread tail up through the hole in your bobbin to start and hold the tail so the thread starts to fill smoothly and doesn't loosen.

I've marked the disc in red on this image
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Please read my Tip on bobbin winding; its really important to get a good wind and you can add more tension yourself by applying gentle pressure to your thread spool on the back pin as you wind off it.
Link is http://www.fixya.com/support/r10598580-winding_bobbin_correctly

The stopping when full is possibly because your bobbin is winding unevenly but I never run it until it stops itself anyway, and do the winding at 3/4 speed, not flat out. You want a really smoothly tensioned even wind onto the bobbin so your thread comes off the bobbin when stitching with even tension, not stretched, then loose.

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Hello

I would suggest that you revisit the threading up in your manual and double check that the top thread is under tension.

However, if the stitiching on top of the fabric is wonky, this is your bottom tension too loose, and if stitching on the the underside of the fabric is loose, its the top tension causing it.

Quite often bobbin winding can be the cause of bad stitching so pull out the manual and wind a bobbin carefully following the instructions, making sure that the thread is under gentle tension as it winds. What you don't want is for the thread spool to bounce around as it unwinds onto the bobbin as this gives uneven tension of the thread and when you then stitch a seam, the thread relaxes in different amounts causing puckering.

So wind at 3/4 speed, and gently guide the thread onto the bobbin so it fills evenly across the whole core. And ensure there is tension on via a tension guide if your machine has one. If not, then place the curved handle of your scissors onto the top of the thread spool and hold it there as you wind, which holds the spool down and keeps the thread coming off it smoothly.

Always raise the pressure foot when you thread the machine so the top thread goes into tension fully. And new needle for each new sewing job is really important, make sure it is the right size and type of needle for the fabric you are sewing.

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The bobbin thread keeps breaking! It is very loose and then snaps?? I've replaced the needle to make sure it was sharp, I bought the highest grade thread I could find, adjusted the tension... then...


Sounds more like the way the bobbin has been wound, is it loose and uneven or tight and smooth. Is it properly into the tension spring? being loose doesn't sound right, a thread under correct bobbin tension is usually pretty firm.

Is it loaded into the bobbin holder the right way ?

Also check the bobbin itself hasn't been damaged in some way, not worn/bent. It needs to turn smoothly in the bobbin holder so if one edge has been bent a little this will cause problems.

When winding bobbins, you must have tension on the thread so it winds smoothly with consistent tension on the thread. Most machines have a little tension disc on top or the thread goes through the regular tensioner in order to achieve this. But I always wind bobbins at about 3/4 speed and also add a little extra tension by holding my scissors handle on top of the thread spool so it doesnt bounce around. Also start winding with a little tail pulled through a hole on top of the bobbin and wind until this starting end is covered, then stop and snip off the tail. Then continue winding and watch the thread, giving it a nudge so that it fills evenly across the bobbin, not just all in the middle.

Think of it like the garden hose reel; if you wind it really fast the hose all goes into the middle of the reel, then jams up and you can't get the whole hose onto it. Same thing, wind smoothly and evenly across the whole depth of the bobbin so that the thread is smooth and even. Then when the thread feeds off it will be smooth evenly tensioned and should stitch out evenly.

There is some good trouble shooting information on this page too which might help you to work out what is causing this thread breakage.
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you can dowload a manual from the singer website http://www.singerco.com/accessories/manuals.html

If the bottom stitching is uneven, its mostly the top thread not under tension correctly so check the tension dial and the threading up from the thread spool to the needle.

Also, review how you wind a bobbin, you want a nice smooth wind, not twisting or uneven build across the bobbin. The manual for this machine is pretty brief on this but bobbin winding is crucial to getting a good even flow from the bobbin when stitching seams. You want to wind thread smoothly onto the bobbin, across the full width of it, not just mainly in the middle. Give the thread a nudge with your finger tip to fill top and bottom as it winds.

Also, ensure the thread goes through the bobbin tension disc on top of the machine, and even then, use your scissors handle to put some downward gentle pressure onto the thread spool you are winding off so it doesn't jump or bounce as you wind. Wind the bobbin to 3/4 full, then stop.

And lastly, load the bobbin correctly following the manual directions, make sure it is turning the right way in the bobbin case. Also look at page 16, it shows the "dangle" test where you can check the tension on the bobbin case is right, you should be able to dangle the bobbin by the thread tail and it should "stay" but you should be able to pull on it to release thread too. Adjust the little tension screw in minute increments to get this right. Bobbin case tension springs can fail or break too, so check this out.

Hope this helps you; it is my experience that 90% of machine issues are caused by blunt or wrong sized needles, wrong threading, no tension or incorrect tension or lack of maintenance.

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You need to keep tension on the thread spool as you wind the bobbin to avoid this from happening. Also, is there a little tension device to take the thread around between the spool and the bobbin winder? Some machines have a little silver button tensioner purely for bobbin winding to keep the thread flowing smoothly.

But I always do the following anyway just to ensure a smooth bobbin. Take the thread from your spool, through the eyelet or tensioner, then back to the bobbin and put the tail end up through a hole in the top of the bobbin. Now put the bobbin onto the winder and click it against the stop. Place the curved handle of a pair of scissors onto the top of the thread spool and apply some gentle pressure to stop the spool from bouncing and jumping while winding off. Keep doing this through the winding process.

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Best analogy here is when you wind the garden hose onto the reel, if it goes on all over the place you never get the whole length on neatly, but if you wind it on neatly in an even tight coil across the spool, then back again, then repeat, you get a tidy hose. But just wind madly, it all builds up in the middle, you can't get it all onto the reel, and it won't pull out nicely next time you need it. Same thing with your SM thread.

Polyester and silky embroidery threads will be worse too as they are silky, so if the thread hasn't been wound on smoothly and under tension, then it will "collapse" with gravity, then when you use the bobbin, the thread is going to be caught on itself, will feed unevenly and be stretched, then loose, giving you less than perfect stitch tension.

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I hope this assists you with your machine and certainly if this doesn't resolve the bobbin issues, then I'd suggest you visit your dealer and ask them to demonstrate the technique on your machine to see if there is a technical issue with it.

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