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Winding bobbin on 4411 with right tension

My bobbin fills but the thread is too loose

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Hello Joyce Strohl
This happens quite often when the thread is not totally engaged through the tension disc before reaching the empty bobbin. You can refer to page 12 or the free downloadable manual found at this link:
Note that the thread must winde around the tensioning device in a letter "e" style to be effective.
Place the "mushy" bobbin where the spool of thread normally resides and winde the mushy thread onto another empty bobbin .... this way there is no loss of good thread.

Happy Stitching

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