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Cub 1620. Am unable to get starter response cranking with drive lever in neutral position. Probable fix?

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Sit on seat and push clutch/brake to the bottom then try it if it has an electric blade clutch that also has to be off

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    I've done that. Is there a selonoid or switch on the hydrodrive mechanical linkage that identifies "neutral". Cranking issue has been long standing, requiring jiggling the accelorator lever. Also, it would drift forward when running and in neurtal.

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Pull the ground wire off from the coil and try it,if it runs the safety switches are bad,hook a switch to ground and coil to bypass

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Where do I find the 2008 Buick Enclave neutral safety switch


It's called a Manual Shift Detent (w/Shaft Position Switch) Lever Assembly. And it's inside the transmission .
What problem are you having ? No crank , when you turn the ignition switch to the start position nothing happens ? No click ,nothing ? If your think of just replacing the switch ,stop , did you have it diagnosed ? This starting system is computer controlled .
When the ignition switch is placed in the Start position, a discrete signal is supplied to the body control module (BCM) notifying it that the ignition is in the Start position. The BCM then sends a message to the engine control module (ECM) notifying it that CRANK has been requested. The ECM verifies that the transmission is in Park or Neutral. If it is, the ECM then supplies 12 volts to the control circuit of the crank relay. When this occurs, battery positive voltage is supplied through the switch side of the crank relay to the S terminal of the starter solenoid.
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Ok it seems you isolated and checked the usual suspects and some that I wouldn't have looked at except one. Did you check the neutral safety switch and Alignment on your gears for the gearshift lever. If it is not aligned properly it may not be hitting the neutral safety switch when in neutral and park. Also if the switch has failed. It may not be allowing your system to start when you move the key to the start position. I'm also wondering if this model has a fusable link in the starter cable but you say that you've isolated and tested both the starter and the relay. So I would really suspect that neutral safety switch. Hope this helps.

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It's on the transmission where the shift lever goes through the case. (left side) before you replace it, make sure that it doesn't just need to be adjusted. You can check by holding the key in the crank position with one hand and move the shift lever with the other. Make sure you have the park brake on, it may start in gear.

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If all the electrical accessories are getting power, then the problem would be in the starting system. First check your positive battery cable. There will be two large wires connected to it. One goes to the fuse box and accessories and the other to the starter. It is possible that the starter one is not getting good contact. Make sure that there is 12+ volts going to the large wire at the starter solenoid. If so check the small wire that goes to the solenoid. With the key in crank mode there should be almost 12 volts to it. If you have both 12 v at the large wire(all the time) and 12 v at the small wire when the key is in the crank position you have a bad starter. Try hitting the starter while someone is holding the key in the crank (start)position. If not check for fuse or relay labeled starter. Also check the neutral safety switch to see if starter voltage is passing through it when the lever is in park or neutral.

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Maybe something wrong with neutral switch? Usually it is on or close to transaxle shift lever, follow the shift cable to shift lever, the switch has multiple wire connector.
It may be possible to start vehicle by jumping the load side of starter relay, key on. There are safety issues trying this, the vehicle will crank in any gear. Make sure tranny is out of gear, parking brake is set, block the wheels, whatever it takes to be safe, safety is your responsibility.
If the problem isn't that neutral switch, then I don't know? Any applicable trouble codes?

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I HAVE A 1990 LS 400 WHEN TURNING KEY NO CRANKING AND HAVE GOOD BATTERY POWER. NO POWER TO STARTER WIRE ON STARTER SELINOD.WHAT CAN IT BE


It could be a bad ignition switch or bad starter wire from the starter switch, or the PNP is not adjusted correctly:

Here are instructions on how to remove and replace the PNP, but read over it to understand how to adjust:
Park/Neutral Safety Switch REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION ES300 1993-94 Models
  1. With the ignition switch in the LOCK position, disconnect the negative battery terminal. If equipped with an air bag system, wait at least 90 seconds or longer before performing any other work.
  2. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  3. Disconnect the Park/Neutral switch connector.
  4. Remove the clip from the shift control cable.
  5. Remove the nut and control cable.
  6. Remove the bolts and pull out the Park/Neutral switch. To install:
  7. Install the Park/Neutral switch and loosely install the bolts.
  8. Adjust the switch and torque the bolts to 48 inch lbs. (5 Nm).
  9. Install the control shaft lever.
  10. Install the control shaft cable and torque the nut to 9 ft. lbs. (13 Nm). Fig. 1: The transaxle control shaft lever has a nut and washer to retain it - 1993-94 ES300 54617.gif
    Fig. 2: Removing the Park/Neutral switch - 1993-94 ES300 54618.gif

  11. Install the clip to the shift control cable.
  12. Lower the vehicle.
  13. Connect the negative battery cable.
  14. Make sure the vehicle will start only in the PARK or NEUTRAL position.
1995-97 Models Fig. 3: Aligning the neutral base line and groove - 1995-97 ES300 293716.gif
Fig. 4: Park/Neutral switch removal and installation - GS300, LS400, SC300 and SC400 300569.gif
Fig. 5: Park/Neutral switch adjustment - GS300, LS400, SC300 and SC400 300571.gif
  1. With the ignition switch OFF, disconnect the battery cables, negative terminal first. Allow 90 seconds to elapse before performing any other work.
  2. Apply the parking brake fully and block the rear wheels.
  3. Disconnect the electrical connector from the Park/Neutral position switch.
  4. Remove the locknut and disconnect the control cable from the manual shift lever.
  5. Remove the clip from the holding the control cable to the bracket.
  6. Remove the nut, washer and the manual shift lever from the manual valve shaft.
  7. Using a flat bladed tool, bend the lock washer back away from the nut.
  8. Remove the nut and lock washer from the Park/Neutral switch.
  9. Remove the two bolts and the Park/Neutral position switch. To install:
  10. Install the Park/Neutral position switch to the manual valve shaft. Leave the two bolts loose at this time.
  11. Install the lock washer and nut. Torque the nut to 61 inch lbs. (7 Nm).
  12. Using a flat bladed tool, bend the lock washer over the nut to secure the nut in place.
  13. Adjust the Park/Neutral as follows:
    1. Install the manual shift lever to the Park/Neutral switch and set the shift lever to the neutral ( N) position.
    2. Align the groove and the neutral basic line on the Park/Neutral switch.
    3. Hold the Park/Neutral switch in this position and tighten the two bolts to 48 inch lbs. (5 Nm).
  14. Install the manual shift lever with washer and nut.
  15. Install the control cable to the manual shift lever and install the nut. Torque the nut to 11 ft. lbs. (15 Nm).
  16. Install the control cable to the bracket by installing the clip.
  17. Connect the electrical connector to the Park/Neutral switch.
  18. Lower the vehicle and check the vehicles shifting positions.
  19. Connect the negative battery cable to the battery.
  20. Verify that the vehicle only starts in PARK or NEUTRAL.
GS300, LS400, SC300 and SC400
  1. With the ignition switch OFF, disconnect the battery cables, negative terminal first. Allow 90 seconds to elapse before performing any other work.
  2. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  3. If necessary, remove the front exhaust pipe.
  4. Disconnect the neutral start switch connector.
  5. Remove the control shaft shift lever.
  6. Pry off the washer and remove the nut.
  7. Remove the bolt and pull out the neutral start switch. To install:
  8. Install the Park/Neutral switch and loosely install the bolt.
  9. Adjust the switch as follows:
    1. Loosen the neutral start switch bolt and place the shift lever in the N position.
    2. Align the groove and the neutral basic line.
    3. Hold in position and tighten the bolt to 9 ft. lbs. (13 Nm).
  10. Install the nut and washer.
  11. Install the control shaft shift lever.
  12. Connect the electrical connector.
  13. Install the front exhaust pipe. Torque the front nuts to 46 ft. lbs. (62 Nm). Torque the pipe support bracket to bolts to 32 ft. lbs. (43 Nm). Torque the No. 2 front exhaust pipe to the front exhaust pipe bolts to 32 ft. lbs. (43 Nm).
  14. Lower the vehicle.
  15. Connect the negative battery cable to the battery.
  16. Verify that the vehicle will only start in the N or P positions.
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Maybe try to press the brake pedal and run the gear shift throughout the full range of gears while the car is on level ground, and retry the starter to see if there is a faulty PNP adjustment.

Try to start in Neutral not Park, and jiggle the gear shift back and forth to see if the PNP is not adjusted right.

Good luck on this repair.

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The starter has been tested as good, but the car wont start, any ideas?


load test battery
check for tight, clean connections at battery
check neutral safety or clutch safety switch
check starter relay
check ignition switch
check engine and chassis grounds,
below is from the autozone.com site. click on red X's to view files

Four types of starter motor are utilized depending upon the vehicle transaxle and assembly plant location. Manual transaxle equipped vehicles utilize a conventional starter motor which consists of a yoke, an armature assembly, an overrunning clutch assembly, a solenoid, a commutator end cover, a brush holder and a pinion drive lever. Automatic transaxle equipped vehicles utilize a reduction type starter motor which has, in addition to the components found on conventional starter motors, a reduction gear and shock absorber assembly.
In the basic circuit, the solenoid windings are energized when the ignition switch is turn to the START position and the clutch start/neutral safety switch is closed. The resulting plunger and shift lever movement causes the pinion to engage the engine flywheel ring gear. This movement also causes the starter solenoid contacts to close.
With the contacts closed, the starter solenoid provides a closed circuit between the battery positive terminal and the starter motor. Because the starter motor is permanently grounded to the engine block, the circuit is complete and cranking occurs as soon as the starter solenoid contacts are closed.
When the engine starts, the pinion is designed to overrun and protect the armature from excessive speed until the ignition switch is released from the START position. With the ignition switch released, a return spring in the solenoid assembly forces the starter solenoid contacts open, breaks the circuit between the battery and the starter motor, and disengages the pinion. To prevent prolonged overrun, the ignition switch should be immediately released upon engine start-up.
See Figures 1 and 2



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Fig. Fig. 1: Electrical system diagnosis - No cranking condition



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Fig. Fig. 2: Electrical system diagnosis - Slow cranking condition

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