Hi, I need to descale my Saeco Vienna machine -- but I'm not sure, do I need to remove the brew group, or run the solution through with the brew group in?
The descaling instructions say that if you have a machine that "works with whole coffee beans (i.e., it contains a grinder), decalcify only the hot water discharge system so that the brewing system is not decalcified." Does this make sense to you?
Or do I just empty the bean hopper, put the solution in the tank, and run it through? The manual is vague on the how-to for descaling...
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This needs looking at by a Saeco repair shop - the brew unit travels in a distinct 'pathway' from being empty, to filled, to coffee being tamped, then to being emptied. Yours is obviously not working as intended.
It may be the brew unit needs lubricating ( NOT OIL) or it may be the gear system that drives the brew units movements that needs attention.
Descaling Saeco Automatic espresso machinesSAECO VIENNA SUPERAUTOMATIC MACHINES: SAECO VIENNA DIGITAL - MANUAL DESCALE PROGRAM 1. Fill the water tank with the Saeco descaling solution. (1 bottle of Saeco descaling solution to one full tank of water.) 2. Turn on the machine. Run approximately 1 cup through the steam wand by turning open the hot water steam valve). Turn machine off and let sit for 5 minutes. 4. Repeat this procedure until the water tank is empty. Then rinse water tank thoroughly and flush the machine by running two tanks of clear water through the steam wand. 5. To clear the "Decalcify" message on the Digital model, press the MENU/OK key to go into programming mode. Scroll up or down to select the "Signal.Descal" function. Press MENU/OK. Next, the messages " Quantity Water Not Reached" and "Left Quantity" will flash. Press MENU/OK again - the message "Reset Descaling Program - Yes" will appear. Press MENU/OK again. The Descale meter is now cleared. SAECO VIENNA DIGITAL - AUTOMATIC DESCALE PROGRAM 1. Press the MENU/OK key to go into programming mode. Scroll up or down to select the "Descaling" function . Press MENU/OK key. Place a large container under the hot water/steam nozzle. Fill the water tank with Saeco descaling solution. (1 bottle of Saeco descaling solution to one full tank of water. Refer to the instructions on the bottle). 2. Then completely open the hot water/steam rotary valve/knob. The pump starts and the descaling program begins. During this phase the pump runs at intervals and the message "Machine is Descaling" is displayed. The complete program takes about 40 minutes. Do not add any water to the tank during this phase. When the message "Descaling Finished" appears, close the hot water/steam valve. The message "Rinse Machine" will appear. 4. Remove and rinse water tank thoroughly, fill with fresh water and replace on machine. Empty the container under the hot water/steam nozzle and replace. Flush the machine by running the tank of clear water through the hot water/steam wand until the message "Rinsing Finished" appears. Exit the Programming mode by pressing "MENU/OK" Refill the water tank with fresh water. 5. To clear the "Decalcify" message on the Digital model, press the MENU/OK key to go into programming mode. Scroll up or down to select the "Signal.Descal" function. Press MENU/OK. Next, the messages " Quantity Water Not Reached" and "Left Quantity" will flash. Press MENU/OK again - the message "Reset Descaling Program - Yes" will appear. Press MENU/OK again. The Descale meter is now cleared. Descaling Single Boiler Home espresso machines(HOME SINGLE BOILER ESPRESSO MACHINES)
Approximately every 3 months (depending on your use and the water hardness), clean the machine with natural citric acid based decalcifying agent. 1. Add a descaling solution into the water reservoir. Mix thoroughly to dissolve (use warm water for better results). 2. Remove the filter holder and place a cup under the group head and another cup, or other container, under the steam wand to catch cleaning solution. 3. Turn espresso machine on, turn coffee pump on and run approximately 8 oz. of solution through the brew head. Turn machine off and let the machine sit for 15 minutes. 4.Run approximately 8 oz. through the steam wand, and again, turn machine off and let sit for 15 minutes. Repeat by allowing solution to run alternately through the steam wand and brew head. Turn espresso machine off after each cycle. Repeat process until solution has been run through. 5. Do not leave espresso machine on. Do not wait for the ready light to come on. Do not use the steam switch during this process. Do not allow reservoir to run empty! 6. Rinse reservoir thoroughly with fresh water. Refill reservoir with fresh water. Run half a tank of fresh water through group head, alternating between group head and steam wand.
No, it does not quite clean both boilers, even though they are connected, you will have to use the preground chute if your machine has one, if not then grind and brew method will work. The reason, you want to get some of the cleaner through the white plastic valve behind the brewunit and the fitting that connects it to the boiler.
Could be a number of reasons. If you "hear" the brew group moving in one direction, stop and then move again, then the microswitches are o.k. If the sound of the movement is low and/or slow ( slower that normal), the CPU/power board may be bad and needs to be replace. If the movement is as before (same sound and movement) but not lining up, perhaps the brew drive motor is bad. To remedy this situation, an authorized SAECO Service Center would have to open your machine and replace damaged components. Contact Saeco USA Inc. to located a Service Center near you at 800-933-7876 (toll-free), ask for customer support, or contact SAECO via e-mail at : firstname.lastname@example.org
dont worry if it was working good before the clean up the brew group is not install all the way in remove it push it in untill you here a click the brew group is not all the way in and doesnt push the on switch when you push it in wiggle it
besides descaling you need to lube the brew group, especially the bit that accepts the group nozzle. You might have a leaking boiler too, 6 years is pretty good for a vienna.
Remove the brew group and look for the two red o-rings on teh brass bit, smear some lube on it, they might need replacing by now, but luckily they aren't too expensive and readily available albeit a bit tricky to install, a good light and some patience is very important.