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I have a Laing SMT-909-BSW-14 hot water circulating pump that is not running. There is power to the pump; I found no evidence of air in the system when the hose bib was opened; I found no evidence of foreign matter when I removed the pump. I did notice that the bearing ball has a crack from the top-center to the bottom edge. I can't remember if that crack was there when I installed the pump 6 years ago. Could the crack be casusing the pump not to run?

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If the built-in check valve is bad, then circulation pump will not perform the job
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html
Unlike other brands, there is not a replacement crossover valve for laing

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SOURCE: Laing model 330 Pump not working-delay in hot

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1) The pump is not working? Does the pump make a noise? if pump is not working full-time, it can cause delay in arrival.
If pump motor is suspect, and outlet has power, then check override switch located on timer. Set override to Timer, move some of the trippers outward, then manually rotate timer dial until pump turns ON.
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/IMG_9325-grundfos-timer-800.jpg
If no noise is detected, or noise stops and starts, or seems strained, or if pump is hot, then pump motor may have burned out.

2) If pump is working, and makes noise like a humming sound, and pump motor is not hot, but hot water is not circulating, then unplug pump so it will not overheat and burn up.
Disassemble the pump and cross-over piece. Clean piping with white vinegar or CLR. Do not soak in CLR or it will damage seals. Rinse parts thoroughly. Reassemble and see if problem is resolved.
If pump is vibrating, then suspects include sediment and/or air inside line, and this can be resolved by cleaning as described. Also install air vent to increase life of pump.

3) Other causes for hot water delay at faucet are crossover.
Crossover can be caused by bad single-handled faucet cartridge, and/or by clogged-or-failed check valve on cross-over piece on grundfos.
This type of problem lets cold water enter hot line, and causes delay in arrival of hot water. Clean-or-replace the grundfos cross-over piece, and replace bad faucet cartridge.
Open following link for testing instructions:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Crossover.html

Resources:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Troubleshoot-recirculation.pdf

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Laing model 330 Pump not working-delay in hot water delivery.In the past,a vibration occurred when cold water running above the pump.Can this be repaired.Power operating to pump. Thanks, mel ross


Question not 100% clear.

1) The pump is not working? Does the pump make a noise? if pump is not working full-time, it can cause delay in arrival.
If pump motor is suspect, and outlet has power, then check override switch located on timer. Set override to Timer, move some of the trippers outward, then manually rotate timer dial until pump turns ON.
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/IMG_9325-grundfos-timer-800.jpg
If no noise is detected, or noise stops and starts, or seems strained, or if pump is hot, then pump motor may have burned out.

2) If pump is working, and makes noise like a humming sound, and pump motor is not hot, but hot water is not circulating, then unplug pump so it will not overheat and burn up.
Disassemble the pump and cross-over piece. Clean piping with white vinegar or CLR. Do not soak in CLR or it will damage seals. Rinse parts thoroughly. Reassemble and see if problem is resolved.
If pump is vibrating, then suspects include sediment and/or air inside line, and this can be resolved by cleaning as described. Also install air vent to increase life of pump.

3) Other causes for hot water delay at faucet are crossover.
Crossover can be caused by bad single-handled faucet cartridge, and/or by clogged-or-failed check valve on cross-over piece on grundfos.
This type of problem lets cold water enter hot line, and causes delay in arrival of hot water. Clean-or-replace the grundfos cross-over piece, and replace bad faucet cartridge.
Open following link for testing instructions:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Crossover.html

Resources:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Troubleshoot-recirculation.pdf

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Sep 17, 2011 | Laing Thermotech Autocirc Undersink...

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When the pump is running, if I turn on the cold water faucet the check valve opens and closes rapidly making a loud knocking sound. This problem only developed after four years of trouble-free operation.


Clean out check valve with CLR calcium-lime-rust and see if functionality is restored.
Problem can also be caused by air bubble inside the line, caught at the check valve. Dissemble and reassemble parts. Install air vent.
Another option is to install direct return line with in-line check valve and air vent.
Parts can also be ordered.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

Jul 24, 2011 | Laing Thermotech Autocirc Undersink...

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I have a laing cirulating pump thats is worhing but now making noise so i took it apart see nothing but it was hot when running so is there any thing i can do to fix before it burns out


Open following link for Re-circulation information and resources:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

If the unit is getting hot, it may have already slowed and is now spiraling to it end.
Try bleeding air out of water lines, and clean autocirc with CLR calcium lime and rust remover.
Recirculation systems have a built in check valve so cold water side of faucet will work correctly. If this check valve is stuck open or closed, it can affect a lot of things in the plumbing system.
For example, stuck check valve can cause tankless water heater not to operate. It can also cause autocirc pump to overheat.
Lines, or elbows clogged with sediment can also cause same problems with recirculation system. If your system has direct return line to water heater that connects into the water heater drain port, then clog in line can cause overheated pump. Check water flow, check water lines, and clean out autocirc.

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Punp ACT 303-BTW was working fine. Got some water leak under sing. Disconnected the pum fron electricity, dryed good and when plug it in had a "POP" sound and lightning fron under the timer. It kept...


if you had a "pop" and lightning from the timer....
the water got into the electronics.
its time to replace.
getting hot.... was the cartridge either spinning dry, or spinning but not able to move water, did you have a valve off somewhere?
you might call laing or one of their distributors and see if its under warrantee.
where are you located, I can probably help you find a distributor.

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