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SW4P won't light

Turned dial to pilot, depressed dial, held flame to correct point. Nothing happened. Worked last fall following same procedure.

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Sounds like ignition problem check earth & power. If your getting a spark check pilot assembly

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These systems use "flame rectification" to sense or prove a flame or pilot flame exists thus it is safe to continue or transition to main burners if a system with a pilot light.
The AC spark is rectified to a DC signal by the flame as the AC current passes through the flame, the flame being a poor conductor only a small amount of DC signal is sent, in the milliamps, so it is not too difficult to interrupt the signal and disrupt the operation, it is doing this for safety.
What you can do is clean the surfaces where the pilot assembly meets the casing and burnish this path clean back to the ignition modules ground or burner ground terminal, there may be a flame sensor too, in this case clean it with 0000 steel wool it is just a ground rod and does not wear out but will build a film that can disrupt the weak DC signal.

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Make sure thermocouple is not overtightened. Finger-tight + 1/4 turn.
If the pilot lights, then ECO energy cut off is not tripped, but gas control valve might be bad.
Check color of pilot flame: it should be strong and clear blue.
If pilot flame is weak, or color of flame is yellow-orange: Clean pilot orifice and burner and combustion parts on yearly basis.
Clean air intake screen if applicable.
Increase air supply to water heater. Open a window and see what happens.
Check for adequate draft going up chimney using match under vent hood to see if smoke drafts immediately upwards.
Bleed air out of gas line.
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Open following links for troubleshoot resources:
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Pilot-light-will-not-stay-lit.pdf
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Pilot-outage-troubleshooting.pdf
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Vent-spillage-test-atmospheric-gas-water-heater.pdf
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-install-gas-water-heater.html#troubleshoot

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1) Get more air to the water heater and see if problem continues.
2) Read the following pdf-s for things that might apply to your situation.
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/Negative-pressure.jpg
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Attic-Ventilation-and-Pilot-Outage-in-Gas%20Water-Heaters.pdf
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Pilot-light-will-not-stay-lit.pdf

3) Read pdfs above first, and then Add a comment with missing information below, for possible do-it-yourself help.
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Is gas valve electronic? Or does gas valve have a dial?
If gas valve is electronic, have you checked outlet with circuit analyzer?
Did pilot light work correctly for a while? If so how long?
Where is water heater located? Hot attic? Closet? Garage? Is area dirty and dusty? Has air intake been cleaned?
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If pilot lights and flame is robust and clear blue, and pilot goes out later, then some suspects can be excluded: air in gas line, low gas pressure, thermocouple is overtightened (finger-tight + 1/4 turn), thermocouple not positioned correctly in the flame, dirty pilot tube.
If flame is yellowish and small: then clean pilot tube and combustion parts.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-install-gas-water-heater.html#clean
Remaining suspects can include: air in gas line, low gas pressure, bad gas control valve, tight house so household vent fans pull air down water heater vent that blows out pilot, hot attic with inadequate ventilation, water dripping down vent.

Open following links to read troubleshoot resources.
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Pilot-light-will-not-stay-lit.pdf
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-install-gas-water-heater.html#troubleshoot

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Remove your entire pilot assembly from the heater and gas valve. Remove the aluminum gas line that feeds the pilot assembly. There is a small orifice inside the pilot assembly that may or may not fall out when you take the line off. If it does not fall out remove it and be sure that the very small holes in the top of it are clear. It sounds to me like even though the flame is blue and in contact with the thermo-couple, when the main flame turns off it causes the pilot flame to wave away from the thermo-couple thus shutting it down due to a weak pilot. I have run into this several times and should do the trick.

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The steps involved can vary slightly depending on your furnace model and pilot valve type, so if possible try and find the instructions inside the furnace door cover or in the instruction manual. This is for a gas fired furnace, but applies to any gas-fueled appliance including water heater. Two of the most common types of pilot valve body assemblies either have a red reset button and a gas valve or no reset button and a valve knob that can be depressed. But whichever type you've got, if you have an older model furnace with a standing pilot (flame is lit all the time) then this is the basic procedure.
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  • Go to the furnace and find the pilot valve. The pilot valve body is a box shaped device into which the main gas line will run and is located near the gas burners. It will usually have a gas **** or valve knob that reads "On, "Pilot" and "Off." Locate this gas **** or knob.
  • Turn the knob or gas **** to the "Off" position and wait about 3 minutes for any residual gas to clear away.
  • Find the pilot. It's located near the gas burner tube assembly in the furnace.
  • Get your match or lighter ready. Sometimes the pilot is hard to reach. If possible, try and use a long fireplace match when you light it. If you don't have a fireplace match then a butane BBQ grill lighter works well too. If you don't have that, then you can fasten a match to the end of a stick when you light the pilot
  • If you have a pilot with a red Reset button, turn the gas valve from "Off," to "Pilot."
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  • Place the lit match or ignited lighter tip at the pilot and depress and hold the button or depress the knob as appropriate. Depress the button or knob for about 30 seconds. This maintains gas flow to the pilot until the thermocouple gets hot enough to open the main gas valve.
  • Once the pilot stays lit, slowly release the button or knob and turn the gas **** or knob from the "Pilot" position to the "On" position. This will ignite the burners and keep the flow of gas supplied as required for the burners as called for by the thermostat.
  • If the burners fail to ignite then it may be because the thermocouple did not get hot enough to open the gas valve. Wait a few minutes and then repeat the above procedure. This time hold the red reset button or depress the knob for about 45-60 seconds.
  • Once the main furnace burners ignite, adjust the thermostat to the desired setting.
  • If you've followed the previous steps on lighting the pilot and it still does not light after, or will not stay lit, then you probably have a problem with the thermocouple or an adjustment needs to be made to the pilot. You'll need a furnace service technician to replace or repair these parts. You may find that the pilot lights, but it is an anemic looking flame. That's a different problem we'll look at in the next section.
  • If the pilot lights but the flame is a weak yellow flame, it will not get hot enough to heat the thermocouple to its set point allowing the gas valve to open.
    A natural gas flame should be a bright blue with the tip of the flame having just a tinge of yellow. A propane flame should have a bluish green flame with a tinge of yellow at the tip. The flame should be strong enough to hit the thermocouple tip about 1/2 inch from the tip end. If the flame is weak or shaky looking, check to see that a breeze or draft is not blowing on it. Adjusting the Flame
    There is usually a small screw on the pilot valve body that will adjust the flame. You may have to refer to the manufacturer's instructions to find the screw. Turn the screw as needed to adjust the flame throw. Yellow Flame
    A yellow flame is caused by lack of air and incomplete combustion. It can be caused by a dirty pilot tube tip. Split Flame
    This is caused by dirt in the pilot tube. Take a needle or small nail and gently clean the tube. Flickering or Wavering Flame
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First check your gas supply, gas in bottle or lines? I know, this is basic & I'm not having a shot at you, but you'd be surprised at how many times it gets overlooked.

If you do still have gas supply, evident by that low hiss when you hold the pilot feeder button in (you might have to lean in close to hear it), then you need to check that the piezo is working. This is the bit which produces the spark to ignite your pilot. You will be able to see it sparking at the pilot outlet when you push the button (if you're looking in the right spot).

Ok, you have gas & a working spark? Not sure which buttons to press?

You mentioned the manual no longer being in a helpful condition...do you know which of the 4 buttons, 2 taps, 1 slide control & 1 dial do what?
Well just in case, here we go in simple form... first button on the left is the pilot feeder (lets gas through the pilot), second button from the left is the 'ON' button, third from left is the 'OFF' button & the fourth from the left is the piezo ignite button (gives you that much needed spark!). The slide controls your flame (how much gas gets fed to it). The dial, below the pushbuttons & slide, controls how much water flows through the system which then helps regulate the heat. Make sure the taps on your gas & water lines to the unit are on. There you go...2 taps = gas & water supply, 4 buttons = pilot gas, on, off, piezo (spark), 1 slider = gas/flame control, 1 dial = water flow control.

Ok let's see if we can light it! Water & gas supply turned on, slider set about 25% from left, dial set roughly in the middle, push in button 1 (1st from left) & hold in for about 10 seconds, you should hear a very faint hiss from pilot area. Yes? OK, keep holding button 1 in & press & release button 4 several times until pilot lights, you may not see a difference but if you can't see it and it does light you will hear the faint hiss change to a soft fluttering sound as the flame consumes the gas. Still OK? if so then the next step is to push in button 2 quite firmly & then release button1 as well. If all works as planned you will shortly have hot water supply restored.

If the above has not worked then your hot water service may just need a service to clean everything up & maybe replace a few worn or excessively corroded parts. Otherwise ,if there are no blockages in supply lines etc, then it may be time to replace it.

You neglected to say how long you've had it.

Cheers, hope this has helped.

Dennis

Feb 18, 2009 | Water Heaters

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