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Descaling and overflow leak on BZ40

Can I descale without taking out boiler by pouring in solution from the top of the boiler? Other question - there is a costant leak via the overflow pipe - does this indicate a problem with the 3-way solenoid valve?

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To properly descale, the descaling solution should be circulated with a pump.in order yo remove the scale from the tanlk.

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If we plug in the Solis Coffeemaker, the electrical circuit trips. What happened? It is a 5000 Espressep Machine. We always treated it with care.


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I would suspect the boiler is leaking and shorting. Common problem when you don't descale on a regular basis or descale incorrectly. Any high temperatures during descaling will turn the gasket hard and brittle causing the leak. If not done enough the scale builds up and expands the boiler causing the leak.

Oct 26, 2010 | Solis Master 5000 Espresso Machine

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Proper way to descale an espresso machine.


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I have seen all ways to descale espresso machines on this and other sites and most are wrong!
Never leave the machine heating while the descaler is in the boiler. It's OK for a few seconds but never for minutes or hours. It will turn your seals hard as a rock and the machine will start leaking. If your machine is leaking you probably left your machine on while it was descaling. Factory programs, if used do not turn the boilers on in the descale mode for this very reason.
If your machine has a factory descale mode, use it. All factory descaling programs use the flow meter to regulate the descaling. The flow meter tells the computer how much water has gone through the boiler. when the machine is out of water the flow meter will stop turning and the computer knows the machine has used up all the descaler, and it will want to be rinsed. Remember the pump has to stop on its own for the computer to know it's done! Again the flow meter will tell the computer it is rinsing and when it is again out of fresh water it will tell the computer it is done rinsing and the descaling message or light will disappear. Remember the pump has to stop on its own for the computer to know it's done! It may say descale on some computers and there is a program for resetting the descale. It's in your menu as "Reset Descale". Choose "Yes" and push the menu button to lock. It's all regulated by your water hardness. I have mine set on 4 and my water is very good. I have over 20,000 drinks, and the original boiler. Saeco(Starbucks) Barista Digital.
This method can be used on any espresso machine.
1. Remove the water tank and fill half way with fresh water.
2. Mix your descaling powder (Citric Acid or Durgol Never use Vinegar) in a glass of warm water. When dissolved pour into water tank.
3. Open steam knob. Have a large bowl under the wand to catch the water expelled from wand.
4. Turn on machine (automatics will cycle then start pumping water) Regular espresso machines you will need to turn on the brew button.
5. When the pump has expelled about 8 ozs through the steam wand turn off only the power button. Leave the other buttons and knobs alone.
6. Wait about 10 to 15 minutes for the descaler to work, then turn the power button on and run another 8 ozs through the wand and turn off the power button.
7. Repeat step 6 until the water tank is empty. (machines that have magnets in the water tank will not let you pump the water tank dry but they have programs built in to use that will)
8. Once the tank of descaler is empty, rinse out and fill with fresh water.
9. Open steam knob and run the complete tank of fresh water through the boiler without stopping, and once its complete refill with fresh water and your ready to go.

on Jun 03, 2011 | Saeco Vienna De Luxe Espresso Machine

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Descaling


Ok guys this is my own opinion on descalling and I have to tell you firstly I have been repairing saeco machine for over 8 years so I think I know a bit about them by now. Scheduled Descalling to me is a waste of time and money, now I'M NOT saying to "never descale your saeco" but when that descale light or word comes up on your machine it does not necessarily mean your machine needs to be descaled. Your Saeco machine DOES NOT have a magical sensor inside that tells you there is calcium build up inside the boiler. All Saeco machine use a timer device built into the Electronic main board. As a pre set number of coffee's are made, Saeco has set a timer to bring up either a light or Symbol on screen to tell you your machine is in need of a descale. Now with different countries , States and living conditions not all water outlets consist of the same water purities, so how can Saeco say at a certain time your machine needs descalling? . I can only go by experience where I repair machines in Australia (Melbourne) and I have had many machines fail due to being constantly descalled. How many of you have been having a good run from your machine until the day you thought you had better off descale your magic deluxe as it hadn't been done in a while. Upon descalling the machine you hear and see water leaking from the unit and Bang , the machine stops dead , or if your very lucky you shut the machine off just in time before the circuit board gets wet and you send the Deluxe to Saeco and now your up for a new boiler and service.
What had happened is that in time the seals of the boiler have broken down and the calcium lining the boilers internal walls have been sealing the boiler from leaking. Upon cleaning the boiler , calcium is removed and the seals don't hold and you know the rest. I have personally given a machine to a family member and told them never to descale just to see what happens ( will the boiler go , or water stop flowing due to blockages? ) I can honestly tell you that this machine was made in 1996 and I had replaced the boiler 8 years ago , to this day the machine has not missed a beat and no leaks on boiler. Ah they hardley use it I hear you say , quite the contrary , Italian family, machine used every day and even taken once in a while to their local social gatherings making coffees for over 30 people. I also have a customer who every so often after 2 years will come back for a new boiler fitted ( machine used in pannel beating shop ) I told him to try not doing any descaling until he could see any water flow restrictions. It's been over 3 years now and I havent seen the machine back yet but I do time to time come across him and ask how the Saeco is going , he says "all is well". Now not doing a descale at all is madness as I have had many blocked or semi clogged boilers due to high calcium deposits ( expecially around the beach coast areas ) But if you feel that your machine is pumping a little less water and the brewer is clean form any blockages then a well deserved descale is probably needed. With older machines you only need to reset the descale light or display if not needed. With other types like Saeco Incanto you need to only go through the descale process without the additive or cleaning fluid introduced into the water tank and decsale will reset.I hope I have shed some light on this issue and I'm not trying to say Saeco are pulling the wool over your eyes when it comes to descaling. I am going by my experiences only and what I have seen during my time with these machines. Enjoy your Coffee.

Mar 12, 2010 | Saeco Magic De Luxe Espresso Machine

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Decalcify constantly appears on screen and water leakes from bottom of machine only when u press to make a coffee


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Decalcifying your boiler: Your boiler uses water that has dissolved minerals in it. Even if it is filtered, there are minerals. Your boiler needs to be decalcified to prevent mineral deposits from damaging it. Why can this damage your boiler? The boilers within these machines are small and narrow and therefore they heat up quickly. They hold a small amount of water (250 ml). Their heating element is in the boiler housing itself. So when you start to accumulate mineral deposit, you take up space. This lowers efficiency for heating. Also the mineral starts to attack the silicone gasket that seals the boiler and soon you have a leaking boiler. Water hardness is measured in numbers from 1 to 4. Number 1 indicates soft water having a few minerals while Number 4 describes water containing the most minerals. Set your water hardness to 4 is my recommendation to keep your boiler in good working order. Descale more often than not enough!
To program the water hardness into your machine, press the scoop coffee button and hold until you get the menu. Scroll through the menu until you come to water hardness. Set your water hardness to the level that your test strip says. Press enter (scoop button). Use the arrows to select the hardness and then press enter. You have programmed your hardness and now the machine will tell you when to descale.
Auto descale: To automatically descale your machine, press the scoop button and hold it down until you enter the menu. Use the arrows on the left to scroll down until you come to Descale. Press enter and the machine will enter the mode to descale your machine. The process takes about 45 minutes. You don’t have to do a thing except mix a full water tank with descaling solution and have a container under the steam wand when your start. If you have a cappuccinonatori on your machine you will need two containers. To start the descaling process, simply turn the steam knob. When the process is over your machine will say “Descale finished”. Remove your water tank and rinse it out. Refill it with fresh water. Replace on the machine and start the descaling process over again to rinse your machine. Go back into your menu and scroll up or down 1 to signal descale and enter. Choose “Yes” and push enter so the machine will tell you when you need to descale again.

On your machine, the leakage is the seals on one of your 2 boilers. One can be fixed the other will have to be replaced depending on which one is leaking.

Nov 13, 2009 | Saeco Stratos Coffee Maker, Espresso...

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When i try to brew coffee hot water pouring from under the machine cover and no coffee comes out


Hi
Leaking under the machine usually means 1 of 2 things. You have a ruptured hose or your boiler is leaking. Both are repairable. There are 2 types of boilers in the Saeco machines depending on its age. The newer machines have a stainless coiled tube in an aluminum heater. This would probably be a hose. The older boilers were a 2 piece with a gasket that will leak if not taken care of by descaling on a regular basis and done correctly. No excessive heat when descaling. Turn the machine on, then run descaler through the wand by opening the knob for water. Run 8 nozs through the wand then turn the machine off and let it set. Do this until the descaler is gone. The rinse with a tank of fresh water.

Jul 10, 2009 | Saeco Vienna Espresso Machine

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Would like to descale my machine without descaling solution, is this possible?


Ok guys this is my own opinion on descalling and I have to tell you firstly I have been repairing saeco machine for over 8 years so I think I know a bit about them by now. Scheduled Descalling to me is a waste of time and money, now I'M NOT saying to "never descale your saeco" but when that descale light or word comes up on your machine it does not necessarily mean your machine needs to be descaled. Your Saeco machine DOES NOT have a magical sensor inside that tells you there is calcium build up inside the boiler. All Saeco machine use a timer device built into the Electronic main board. As a pre set number of coffee's are made, Saeco has set a timer to bring up either a light or Symbol on screen to tell you your machine is in need of a descale. Now with different countries , States and living conditions not all water outlets consist of the same water purities, so how can Saeco say at a certain time your machine needs descalling? ( Saeco's are built in Europe were most places you wouldn't be caught dead drinking their tap water ) . I can only go by experience where I repair machines in Australia (Melbourne) and I have had many machines fail due to being constantly descalled. How many of you have been having a good run from your machine until the day you thought you had better off descale your magic deluxe as it hadn't been done in a while. Upon descalling the machine you hear and see water leaking from the unit and Bang , the machine stops dead , or if your very lucky you shut the machine off just in time before the circuit board gets wet and you send the Deluxe to Saeco and now your up for a new boiler and service.
What had happened is that in time the seals of the boiler have broken down and the calcium lining the boilers internal walls have been sealing the boiler from leaking. Upon cleaning the boiler , calcium is removed and the seals don't hold and you know the rest. I have personally given a machine to a family member and told them never to descale just to see what happens ( will the boiler go , or water stop flowing due to blockages? ) I can honestly tell you that this machine was made in 1996 and I had replaced the boiler 8 years ago , to this day the machine has not missed a beat and no leaks on boiler ( I have instructed them to regulary clean out brewer and lubricate seals ). Ah they hardley use it I hear you say , quite the contrary , Italian family, machine used every day and even taken once in a while to their local social gatherings making coffees for over 30 people. I also have a customer who every so often after 2 years will come back for a new boiler fitted ( machine used in pannel beating shop ) I told him to try not doing any descaling until he could see any water flow restrictions. It's been over 3 years now and I havent seen the machine back yet but I do time to time come across him and ask how the Saeco is going , he says "all is well". Now not doing a descale at all is madness as I have had many blocked or semi clogged boilers due to high calcium deposits ( expecially around the beach coast areas ) But if you feel that your machine is pumping a little less water and the brewer is clean from any blockages then a well deserved descale is probably needed. With older machines you only need to reset the descale light or display if not needed. With other types like Saeco Incanto you need to only go through the descale process without the additive or cleaning fluid introduced into the water tank and decsale will reset.I hope I have shed some light on this issue and I'm not trying to say Saeco are pulling the wool over your eyes when it comes to descaling. I am going by my experiences only and what I have seen during my time with these machines. Enjoy your Coffee

Apr 17, 2009 | Saeco Magic De Luxe Espresso Machine

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Solis Master 5000 Leaks Out Bottom in Priming


Hi
More than likely the boiler is leaking from improper descaling. Seals do not dry out but they will become hard and brittle if you descale while the machine is hot. I would say you need your boiler replaced. Another thing that will make your boiler leak is not descaling it on a regular basis.

Mar 11, 2009 | Solis Master 5000 Espresso Machine

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Saeco Magic Deluxe water leak


Hi Boilers leaking are usually a sign of not descaling enough. It is not recommended to take apart your machine unless you have knowledge in electronic repair. There are a lot of wires and hoses.
Once the boiler starts leaking it needs to be replaced. email me for directions since it won't fit on this page.

Mar 04, 2009 | Saeco Magic De Luxe Espresso Machine

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