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The perfect CAD computer at a poor man's price.

I am tring to build a computer for CAD programs. I need a motherboard,Graphics Card, power supply and operating system. This computer will have to be use in daily communication and data storage. Speed and combatiblity is the key. Is there a perfect Cad computer?

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I can't think of one, but most of the Business Computers have the reliability and that is the no. 1 factor. I have been in this business more than 33 years and I have some of the hardware still in my garage. Why? No time. If you are doing CAD work, it would be foolish to waste your precious time building computers. What I have done for my scientific computer, is that after I measured all the temperatures, I realized that they all were about 10oC too high. So, I added two small blowers and my temperature decreased by 10oC. Now I can run programs overnight and I leave my office, knowing that there would be no problems during the night. If you really want to have another CAD computer, I can put it together for you, instead of buying all these toys that you don't know if the next second they will still be alive. I will try to make a deal with my employer and get their permission first. How much experience do you have with the CAD software? and the CAD OS. The best Cad OS is any of the LInux distributions; I like Mandriva and/or Ubuntu. To begin with you will not need to worry about any kind of antivirus device, because the Linux system is totally impervious to virus,and all the malwares. In fact on my machine they did not even make mention of the word antivirus or antimalware. Do you know what it consts? Zero, zero and another zero. Another benefit is that when you download the free ****, along with the OS, come all the possible combinations of software that may be required for the enxt five years. Read up on Linux (a Mac is another Windows that just takes longer to operate. Then feel free and get in touch with me: <[email protected]> Thank you for your consideration and choice of our service. My name is Constantin (arzconst is my nickname with Fixya.com)

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I need a vedeo card that supports ecs livermore8

The Motherboard is considered the 'Building Block' of the computer.

From it all hardware components are supported.

Processor, Ram Memory, Harddrive, Optical Drive/s, and add-on expansion slot cards.

A graphics card (Video Card) being one.

You need a graphics card that the ECS 945GCT-HM,
or also stated as HP's Livermore8-GL6; will support.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01237572&lc=en&cc=pt&product=3632125#N33

The motherboard chipset is an Intel 945GC,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intel_chipsets#Core_2_chipsets

According to Intel came out the first quarter of 2005,

http://ark.intel.com/products/34505/Intel-82945GC-Graphics-and-Memory-Controller

The year PCI Express 1.1 technology came out.
PCI Express 2.0 technology didn't come out until 2007,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#PCI_Express_1.1

Will the ECS 945GCT-HM support graphics cards based on the PCI Express 2.0 technology?

YES!

PCI Express 2.0 technology IS backward compatible, with PCI Express 1.1 technology.

You just won't get the full capability of the PCI Express graphics card; based on the PCI Express 2.0 technology.

Will you notice? Doubtful.

From what I have seen listed in reviews on the graphics card, I would not suggest a graphics card based on the PCI Express 2.1 technology.
Reviews suggest it doesn't 'play well' with a motherboard using the PCI Express 1.1 technology.

There is another thing to consider; Power Supply

Most decent graphics cards require a minimum Power Supply wattage, of 400 to 450 Watts.

This Power Supply requirement isn't just for the graphics card.
Graphics card manufacturers base it on a test computer system.
One they put together with a powerful Processor, high performance motherboard, 2GB's of Ram Memory (At least), optical drive/s, harddrive, and the graphics card. (Plus allowance for computer case fans, etc)

If you're running a 300 Watt power supply, this = No.

(Yes, even though AMD ATI Radeon graphics cards, are touted to use less power; 400 to 450 Watts is still the limit for a decent graphics card, from them. Unless you want to run a simpy PCI expansion slot graphics card, or budget/starter, PCI Express graphics card)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4501123&CatId=7387

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2555929&CatId=7387

Regards,
joecoolvette

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5344843&Sku=T925-3014
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What graphics card should i put in my emachine 5210 its the original thats in but i think it is running a bit slow for win7

The eMachines 5210 Desktop PC uses Integrated Graphics.
(UK model)

This means the graphics chipset is soldered directly to the motherboard.
(Also means graphics borrows some of the system resources.
Processor and Ram Memory)

It isn't a graphics card. The full term is graphics adapter card.

Here is the motherboard,

http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1/motherboards/socket478/msi7003.shtml

[ Chip and Chipset are slang terms for I.C.
Integrated Circuit,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Circuit

The chipset, or I.C. for graphics, is the G.P.U.,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPU

The GPU soldered directly to your motherboard, (With a BGA surface mount), is an ATI Radeon 9100,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Radeon_R200_.288xxx.2C_9xxx.29_series

Integrated Graphics is also known as OnBoard Graphics.
ON the motherBOARD ]

The graphics expansion slot you have on your motherboard,
is a PCI slot.

Looking back at the photo of the motherboard, look at the three White long slots, at the bottom/left of the motherboard.

All three are PCI slots.

(They are Not PCI-Express x16 slots )

You can use any available open PCI slot.

Things you need to know when purchasing a graphics card, for a desktop computer;

1) What is the maximum rated Wattage of the Power Supply?

The Power Supply has to provide power for the computer, AND graphics card.

Look at the power requirements of the graphics card, and compare to what your Power Supply's maximum rated Wattage, is.

For the eMchines 5210 I have no idea. It is an old UK model, and eMachines doesn't support it anymore. There seems to be no info on the internet, also.

If I were to hazard a guess, I would guess 200 to 250 Watts.

However, back in the day, when the power supply manufacturer made that Power Supply, they overrated it's maximum rated Wattage.

Sold more power supply's, by 'fudging' the real maximum rated Wattage.

Correct maximum Wattage is more like 60 to 70 percent, of what is stated.
For a 200 Watt unit that would be 120 Watts to 140 Watts.

[ Divide 200 by 10. = 20
Multiply 20 times 6. = 120. That is 60 percent.
Multiply 20 times 7. = 140. That is 70 percent ]

250 Watt unit?
60 percent is 150 Watts.
70 percent is 175 Watts.

Computer unplugged from power, FOLLOW Anti-Static Precautions.
Open the computer case, and look at the side, or bottom of the Power Supply, at it's label.

This should state what the maximum rated Wattage is.

Not there?
Then the 4 Philips head screws need to be removed from the back, and Power Supply partially slid out. The label is on top.

http://www.fonerbooks.com/r_power.htm

You shouldn't have to remove any power cables. Just slide the Power Supply out, and down a little bit.

If it is 150 Watt, S-T-O-P. You will need a better Power Supply.

It is an ATX form factor Power Supply. One that is used in a LOT of desktop computers. Means it is readily available, and economical.

(No slam intended, but from what I see on UK prices, OUCH!
See if you can buy one from the USA. A decent 300 Watt unit is about $35 to $40. Decent means RELIABLE )

[ Anti-Static Precautions:

Your body carries Static electricity. Static WILL fry out, (Short Circuit), the delicate hardware components inside a computer.

Relieve your body of Static BEFORE working on your computer.

Computer on a table, computer Unplugged from power, computer case open.

TOUCH an unpainted surface, of the metal frame of the open computer case. This action will relieve your body of Static.

Should you leave your computer in the middle of working on it,
be SURE to Touch the metal frame again upon your return.

This way your computer is safe ]

2) You need to know what graphics expansion slot, is available on the motherboard.
It is a PCI slot,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_local_bus

Find a PCI slot that is open. If it is next to an expansion adapter card that is already in there, (Ethernet Card?), see if you can move over to another PCI slot away from it.

You need room for the graphics card.

Look at the metal covers at the back of the computer case.
These covers are called Expansion Slot Covers.

Find the one you need to remove, in order to install a graphics card.
(Most of the time it is not a straight shot. The expansion slot cover is one over, from the actual PCI slot you want to use)

When you buy your graphics card, it will come with an Installation Disk.
(CD)
Turn your computer on, let Windows 7 load. Then put the Installation Disk in your CD/DVD drive.

Follow the instructions. Load ALL of the software.

If it asks you do you want to restart the computer - NO!
Close all windows, go back to the desktop screen.
Turn the computer off normally.

Now unplug the computer from power. Remove all cables. (If you are not exactly sure of where they plug in, this is a good time to make notes, and a drawing before you unplug them)

You can lay the computer on it's side. Easier to install a graphics card that way.

Follow Anti-Static Precautions, and physically install the graphics card.

Make sure you plug your monitor into the graphics card this time, and not into the I/O area on the back of the computer, as it was before.

(Input/Output area. This area connects directly to the motherboard.
It is for Input and Output devices, such as the Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, Audio, { Sound}, etc.)

Close the computer case. Plug all cables back into the computer.
Plug the computer back into power. WAIT 1 minute, turn the computer on.

Go to the 'control panel' for the graphics card, and set the screen resolution.

Prepare to smile your face off.

By the way, want to use dual monitors? I can guide you in doing this.

Recommendations for a graphics card?
Hmmm,...not knowing what the maximum rated Wattage, your Power Supply has, makes it tough.

I'll give it a go, however.
Bear in mind, that it needs to support Direct X 11 for Windows 7.

1) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1416091&CatId=1603

Does require a Power Supply with a minimum of 300 Watts, however.

Example,

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1147662&CatId=1077

From what I read through the years, Tigerdirect ships to the UK.

For additional questions please post in a Comment.

Regards,
joecoolvette
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Hp pavilion slimline s5000 series whats the highest graphics card i can put in it

There are 14 different versions in the s5000 series of slimline desktop computers,
{From s5200z to the s5285t}

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/support-drivers.html

Some are Intel processor based, some are AMD processor based.
The Power Supply wattage differs also. Seems it goes from 220 Watts to 300 Watts.

All versions have a PCI-Express x16 expansion slot, though.

[ It is based on the PCI-Express 1.1 version technology
A graphics card based on the PCI-Express 2.0 technology will work.
Why?

Because PCI-Express 2.0 is backward compatible with PCI-Express 1.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-Express

"PCIe 2.0 motherboard slots are fully backward compatible with PCIe v1.x cards. PCIe 2.0 cards are also generally backward compatible with PCIe 1.x motherboards, using the available bandwidth of PCI Express 1.1. Overall, graphic cards or motherboards designed for v2.0 will work with the other being v1.1 or v1.0."

Means;
1) Motherboards based on the PCI-Express 2.0 technology, are compatible with a PCI-Express graphics card that is based on the older PCI-Express 1.1 technology.

2) PCI-Express graphics cards are also generally compatible, if they operate at the smaller bandwidth of PCI-Express 1.1

Since the slower technology of PCI-Express 1.1 is what is available on your motherboard, a graphics card based on PCI-Express 2.0 will not operate at full capability.

{Graphics cards based on the new PCI-Express 2.1 technology will work also }

Will you notice?
No ]

What is the limit for a graphics card?
The sky.

Two problems though.
A) The Power Supply
B) The available room inside the computer case for a graphics card.


1) Power Supply:
According to HP Support, and looking at the specifications for the s5200z, and s5285t, the top of the line graphics card is an Nvidia GT220.

This is due to the low power consumption. (And probably reduced cost from Nvidia)

Based on price, and performance however, the GT220 is a less than choice.

Using a Zotac version as an example,

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=348736&CatId=3669

Stream Processors = 48

You can have the fastest Core Clock, and Memory Clock, plus all kinds of graphics ram memory, but if you do not have enough Stream Processors, your graphics card will be less than adequate.

Consider Stream Processors as the 'Information Highway'. The path that graphics information takes from the Processor to the Graphics Card, and back.

If you do not have enough stream processors it's like a road being worked on.
Traffic is redirected into just one lane. Everything slows down.
There is a 'Bottleneck'.

Most decent graphics cards that are better than a GT220, require a Power Supply with 400 Watts, or greater.
.
The size and shape of the Power Supply's case, makes it hard to find a replacement that is greater than 300 Watts.

2) Available room for a graphics card (Height) inside the computer case:

With the Slimline case you have to purchase graphics cards that are Low-Profile.
{Low Height}

It isn't so much the length that you need to be concerned with, as it is the height of the graphics card.
The length of a graphics card goes from the back of the computer towards the front.
The height of a graphics card goes from side to side inside the computer case.

Average width inside a Slimline case seems to be around 4 inches.

You have to take into consideration; how far the motherboard is supported off of the support plate inside the computer case, and when inserted how high does the graphics card sit in the PCI-Express x16 expansion slot.
4 inches is Not enough room.

If it were I, I would remove all internal components, and install them in a cheap, decent, Mid-tower computer case. There is more room inside the case for a taller graphics card, and the case will use the common ATX style of Power Supply. A 600 Watt ATX power supply is pretty economical.

{There is also more room inside for air flow. Air is the cooling medium for a desktop computer. (Unless it's a high-end gamer computer. Dry Ice, Nitrogen, Refrigerant etc. have been used )

More air flow means cooler hardware components inside the computer.
Result? Longer life, more reliable }

Then I would use an ATI Radeon HD 5750 graphics card, (And a decent 600 Watt power supply)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=465512&CatId=3669

{A decent mid-tower computer case averages around $50 }

Regards,
joecoolvette
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Hi,

You can add hard drive if your system doesnt have enough space for the new programs. If the new programs installs well but is running slow or not starting, then you will have to upgrade your RAM and for better performance, fix one graphics card suitable for *********** board. If you can spend more, Upgrade *********** board and processor.

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Is my gigabyte gtx 470 incompatible with my motherboard? Its intel dh55tc pc stopped turning on after i got da graphics card took it to da shop dey replaced da mobo but dis new dh55tc mobo also stopped...

The Gigabyte GTX 470 should be compatible with the Intel DH55TC motherboard if it has a PCIe x16 slot, which is the standard slot for graphics cards. However, there could be various reasons for your PC not turning on, including:
1. Power Supply: The power supply could be inadequate or malfunctioning. Make sure your 600W power supply is sufficient to power both the motherboard and graphics card.
2. Connections: Ensure that all power connections, both on the motherboard and the graphics card, are properly seated.
3. Drivers: Sometimes, improper or outdated drivers can cause issues. Ensure you have the latest graphics card drivers installed.
4. BIOS/UEFI Settings: Check the motherboard's BIOS/UEFI settings to ensure that it's configured to recognize the graphics card and not use onboard graphics (if available).
5. Faulty Hardware: It's possible that the graphics card or motherboard itself is faulty. Testing the components individually in another system may help identify the problematic part.
6. Power Consumption: The GTX 470 can be power-hungry. Ensure that the power supply can deliver enough amperage on the +12V rail for the graphics card.
7. PCIe Slot: Make sure the graphics card is properly seated in the PCIe x16 slot and that there are no physical obstructions.
Given the replacement motherboard also stopped working, it might be worth checking the power supply's quality and output, as it could be a common factor in both motherboard failures. If possible, try the graphics card in another system to see if it functions correctly.
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Desktop monitor port not working. processor, keyboard, mouse all powered on & working, you can hear it boot up. I use this with other computers, it works fine. monitor has power but goes to sleep. Is...

Ha, no kidding!
I just had a HP Pavilion a705w come in for repair at my shop!
Small world.

Okay, let's go with your theory that the power supply is okay, and the Processor is indeed operating.

Your theory is that the GPU on the motherboard isn't working.

No Signal on the monitor means No Video Signal.

The computer isn't sending out a video signal.

(The HP Pavilion a705w comes with Integrated Graphics.

Meaning the GPU is soldered to the motherboard.
Another term for Integrated Graphics is OnBoard graphics.
On the motherBoard.

GPU stands for Graphics Processing Unit.
A GPU can be soldered to the motherboard, {Integrated Graphics}, or soldered to a dedicated graphics adapter card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPU

Do you have a PCI graphics card around? Still have the installation disk also?
Computer unplugged from power, and observing anti-static precautions, plug it in, screw it down to the frame.
Connect the monitor to the graphics card. Plug the computer into power.
WAIT 1 minute. Turn the computer on. You may have bad graphics because you haven't installed the drivers off of the installation CD yet, but you should have graphics.

Don't have a PCI graphics card available, or no graphics showed up on the monitor?

Okay, then humor me for a moment.
Computer unplugged from power. Anti-static precautions implemented.
Take the ram memory module/s out, and clean the gold plated contact pins with a pencil eraser.

Start at the top of the pins, and brush going down towards the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Generic_DDR_Memory_%28Xytram%29.jpg

Use air to clean off the eraser 'dust', then reinstall the ram.
Plug into power, wait 1 minute, turn the computer on.

Still no?

Have another known, working power supply around, that is an ATX power supply, has at least 250 watts, and has the proper power cables?
I'd like you to use it for a test.

No spare power supply?
Do you have a multimeter?

It's time to check the power out of that power supply.

1) Orange insulated wires are 3.3 Volts
2) Red wires are 5 Volts
3) Yellow wires are 12 Volts
4) ANY Black wire is a Ground wire.

The Positive (Red) lead goes to the power wire, the Negative (Black) lead goes to a Ground wire.
Multimeter is set to the 50 Volt DC scale.

(Auto parts stores sell economically priced multimeter's for around $10 to $15)

Back to your statements in your added comment.

At first it could have been something as simple as the Ethernet card was bad, or the onboard Ethernet was bad.

However, it could be that the motherboard has another issue, and one by one, the motherboards features are going downhill.
No internet. Now no graphics.
Could be this,

http://www.capacitorlab.com/visible-failures/index.htm

I still think the first place to check is the power supply.
It's a cheap quality Bestec power supply.
The Electrolytic Capacitors seem to be the first components that fail in these power supply's.

However, if the computer was dirty inside, as well as the power supply, this could also make a power supply fail.

I've stated what a weak voltage power rail would do. Not enough power to turn the Processor on.
What I haven't stated is that the two main problems with a computer is,

1) The computer is dirty inside, as well as the power supply.
'Kills' power supply's and motherboards.

2) Power supply's are the second item. A pre-built computer manufacturer typically installs a cheap quality power supply.
Saves them money.

Bestec, HiPro, and Delta, are three power supply manufacturers HP uses a lot.
Cheap quality components are used inside.
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Desktop computer cases have standard mounting holes and screw stand offs.
There are a huge range of motherboards available, select well known brands, my favorite are Gigabyte, Intel and MSI.
Select a motherboard with the features you require. If you are into gaming, graphics/CAD then select a motherboard that does not have a built-in graphics chip, and then you can get a high end graphics card.

Most likely you need a CPU and RAM with your new motherboard.
You may also need a newer ATX2 power supply if not then check the total power requirements of the new system, it needs to be at least 10 to 15% over the total power requirements so you don't stress the switch mode power supply.
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Hi there.
I'm working on the assumption that the graphics card is a PCI Express card.
Remember that if you are swapping from on-board graphics to a card you have to go into the BIOS and tell the machine that the primary graphics adapter is AGP/PCI Express.
Plug the VGA cable into the on-board graphics port, start the computer and enter the BIOS, tell the computer to use the AGP/PCI card as primary, press F10, save the changes and exit the bios.
The computer will try and restart so let it boot to post and turn it off, then put in your card and try to boot again.
Please post back if you need more help or advice.

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