Question about Plumbing
Hello, I have an issue, I believe to be drain related, in my house. We bought the house three years ago and had put laminate in the kitchen knowing it wouldn't last long in there, but I knew we would be doing some updating in the kitchen within a couple of years. Last year, the flooring quickly started to curl up and luckily we were planning to do the kitchen updates soon anyway, so that part worked out ok. I had figured since we had the dogs' water bowl and crate in the area that likely they had been splashing water on the floor and thought maybe an accident or two in the crate caused the floor to go bad so quickly. When I started pulling up the laminate to replace it in February, there was a surprising amount of water under the moisture barrier. I figured it was just water that had collected from the dogs being dogs and didn't think anything else of it and installed the tile and made the other updates we wanted to make in the kitchen. To give you an idea of our set up, the kitchen sink is on the east wall, right before the end where the cabinets make an "L" and continue for about 18" on the south wall and the stove is in the space next to that. Our bathroom is behind the south kitchen wall and the bathroom sink, toilet, and bathtub are all on that wall. One night, during the updating, I was painting the base cabinet frames and my wife decided to go in and take a bath. I was working in the corner mentioned above with the doors and drawers all off. Soon after she finished filling the bath tub, there was a strong, rotten smell. It was so strong and awful, I quit working for the night. (And of course, I gave my wife a hard time that she stunk so bad I couldn't continue working. haha) I had noticed the odor before, but it was very faint and I had thought it was due to the laminate flooring having water damage. Anyway, within a couple weeks the kitchen project was complete and I didn't really notice the odor again.... for a while. Fast forward to this last fall, around late September. We had tone out of town for 10 days. We had someone house sitting for us, so assumably, she had used the sink(s), bathtub, and toilet while she was here....but there was a small stream of water running from the cabinet all the way across the floor... I thought it must have been the cooler we brought in there to unload into the fridge was leaking, and again, didn't think anything of it. A couple weeks later, the stream reappeared, and has infrequently appeared since. I checked the sink drain pipes and water lines, and have not found any leaks. I put a container under the p trap thinking maybe a slow leak along the drain, but there has never been water in the container. Out of the blue, I thought back and remembered all of the stuff above combined and it clicked a few months ago that we must have had some kind of plumbing issue before I ever removed that laminate flooring. The strange things I've noticed since: - It doesn't happen all the time... But I would say up to a few times a week. - It seems to happen more easily before a weather front.. and if it rains, during and shortly after the rain system. - It also seems to be easier to happen in the morning when we both take a shower, use the sink, and toliet... especially if we run the dishwasher. - The leak doesn't always seem to "come" from the same place... sometimes it comes from under the stove, sometimes it seems to be coming from under the cabinet where the sink is, and sometimes it seems to come from under the dishwasher. - The foul odor is pretty much constant if we open the cabinet on that south wall, or the sink cabinet, which is open to to the corner cabinet (house is from the 60's, the cabinets were built in, rather than the individual cabinets of today.) - The odor is also more noticeable within a 10-15 ft radius of the area of concentration now. - There is never any hint of the odor or water leaking in the bathroom. One extra note -- There is a whole in the wall with an panel covering it in the kitchen in the back of the cabinet... while I was working in the kitchen, I took it off and it seemed to basically just be an access point for the plumbing for the shower. that panel wasn't attached to the wall, it just -- for lack of a better word -- leans against the wall.... It falls back off the wall pretty easily and the odor seems to be worse when it has fallen back off the wall. I got up on the roof and peered down the vent pipes with a flashlight the best I could, I didn't see any obstruction there. We also haven't had any issues with slow draining in the sinks or bathtub either. I have noticed tiny little air bubbles in the toilet bowl around the opening, but I think that's normal when it's a so cold in the winter as it is right now. Anyway.... I know its time to call a pro... I'm just scared to death it's going to be a major repair that will be wildly expensive.... I can't think of anything it may be....So I thought maybe someone on here would have an idea. Is there anything else I should check before calling a plumber? Or even if I've exhausted all possibilities to avoid a plumber, what might be going on? This post got way longer than I intended, but I wanted to be as detailed and descriptive as I could... So I apologize for the lengthy explanation..... I do appreciate anyone taking the time to read it though, and ever more grateful for any idea that anyone may be able to offer. Thank you!
Posted by Anonymous on
Looks like you were suffering thru the same thing we have in our house - did you ever get a solution to this? I was wondering if some of your vent pipes were cracked or partially clogged, especially where you had that plumbing access hole in the wall. Hope you've got this fixed already, since plumbing companies usually charge about $350 to run those smoke tests to find and pinpoint problems, and it doesn't always work. Buzzie
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Posted on Jan 02, 2017
if you have tiles in the bathroom wall, the answer is yes!
it is better to go fromthe back, where there is drywall.
since PVC is glue on, you have to cut out the pipe and reconnect.
make sure the bathtub faucet is not broken, and can be reuse.
Posted on Nov 11, 2008
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I don't know what the nipples are connected to but you may have a dielectric issue. If the nipples are chrome plated brass and their attached to galvanized fittings you're eventually going to have a problem, because of the mixing of the two metals is causing dielectric corrosion. Even wrapping teflon tape isn't going to help since NPT threads are sharp and will cut through it when you tighten them. Try to get nipples made of the same metal as what they are attaching to. I recently purchased some decent chrome plated brass nipples from Home depot, but they weren't 24" only 8". I hope this helps.
Posted on Aug 19, 2009
You will have to bust out the ceiling where the dripping is occuring to get to the pipes. Before doing so, check and see if your house was built with an access door for the valves. (Look on the other side of the wall where the valves are.) I have the very same problem and am going through ceiling replacement after repairing the pipes. It is a mess. Good luck.
Posted on Nov 30, 2009
Sound like you have the wrong drain assy.or its installed wrongsometimes I put pipe dope on the top side of the rubber gasket and around the threads of the pop up and really tighten the nut.
Posted on May 17, 2010
You can try using rock salt and boiling hot water down your drains. That will help if you have roots getting into your line. Chemicals are not very good for your pipes. If you have PVC drains the chemicals can eat a hole in the pipe because most of them have acid in them. They are also bad for your health (breathing in fumes, getting on skin, etc.) If the line is broken down, has a break in it, it will need to be repaired.
Posted on Jan 25, 2011
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