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Problem with KXTDA50 CO 4 Connected to Gate entry system

CO 4 is connected to a Door King Gate Entry System operating in a CO mode. This has worked with no problem with other Panasonic KSU systems but with the TDA50, since there in no dial tone from the Gate Entry System, it generates a fast busy. Is there a programming option for the CO line for it to work without looking for the dial tone?

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  • flyairnick May 27, 2009

    Thanks for your help and shedding light...I am aware of talk batteries, and no, Door King does not provide that option so I'll use my own. I'm a little surprised by the seemingly backward step by Panasonic since the 816, 1232, 624 and 824 systems (as well as others) all work fine with the Door king on a CO port with no talk battery needed.

  • flyairnick May 30, 2009

    Thanks for your follow up...it was determined that the Door King was not putting out the talk voltage it is supposed to (I found out after the fact that this Door King was previously working fine with this system, that's what happens when you come into the middle of something and aren't given all the details) , anyway, the gate company is due to replace the Door King PC Board and it should be working again. My main experience has been wit Panasonic earlier models through the 824 as well as the hybrid 848 and none of them ever displayed the fast busy upon loss of dial tone or talk voltage, Thanks again for your diligence.

  • Carl Navarro
    Carl Navarro May 11, 2010

    How did you make out on your talk battery issue? In reading the material, I missed your Door King model number. Some of them are polarity sensitive, so you may have to make sure the RING side of the line has the negative voltage. I'm still not crazy about only 9 volts DC for TB, only because Panasonic may mark the trunk busy on such low voltage.



  • Carl Navarro
    Carl Navarro May 11, 2010

    It's not a step backward, it's just a trunk. A lot of systems time out if they don't get talk battery on trunks. It does tend to s u c k (just in case the filter works on that word), but we see it a lot in other systems. It's annoying when you try to do a poor man's paging on a trunk as you have to allow for it, but I think even the TD system requred battery to hold up a page.



  • Carl Navarro
    Carl Navarro May 11, 2010

    Ahhh, REST of the story. It's not the dial tone, it's the missing talk battery. Check your Door King installation manual and see if you can set a switch to provide battery.



    Believe it or not, Rube, a well regulated 9v DC supply in series with the door connections and the trunk MIGHT be enough to keep the connection up...24 volts will definitely work. Viking Electronics makes a C-1000 door controller, but it's not inexpensive (but less than the Door King system).



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You can increase the timer that the system checks for dial tone... but you BEST bet would be to put the doorking into Intercom mode

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