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Hand wheel problem

Hand wheel doesn't move the needle thus the bobbin thread doesn't isn't picked

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bargainbox

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  • Posted on Feb 24, 2008

SOURCE: bobbin threading

You may have put the timing out, however, try this before you despair too much......

Ensure the presser foot is firm enough for the fabric you are using and that it will not just pull through easily by hand with the foot and feeddogs together (as the needle ascends), or things will not proceed, and you will be stitching in the same spot.

Generally a setting of 3 seems to work for general purposes, but if you are using very light or very heavy fabric, a sample is always a good idea before you start in earnest....also match the needle to the work for best results.

Ensure that all is clean and free of lint jams....now for tension troubleshooting .......

This solution is for tension problems...if you cannot form any sort of stitch, the issue is quite different, so please let me know if you need a different problem solved.....

It is quite long, but just work through each section in order.
The "knotting up" can reveal a lot. If you have loose threads on one side or the other, the tension on the opposite side will be the culprit.

QUICK SUMMARY FIRST:
Ensure sharp new needle,
Thread guides and Bobbin are Clean & Clear of lint
Set Top Tesion to 4 ....then....
Balance Bobbin to suit.

TOP THREAD TENSION:
If the looping threads are on the underside as you sew, it is the top tension. Top tension ought to be between 4 & 6 (this variation to allow for the different weights of fabric in your
projects).

IS YOUR NEEDLE SHARP ?
If you are using a needle that has seen quite a deal of work, or you suspect it may be blunt, change it for a new one !

TOP TENSION & GUIDES:
Make sure that when you thread the machine the presser foot is up so the thread goes between the discs and not to one side, top tension between 4 and 6, and that you have threaded through all the guides, including the last one, usually on the needle arm, just above the needle clamp.

It may be there is lint trapped between the discs, this will keep them slightly apart and reduce the actual tension, sometimes dramatically.

If tensions appear correct, and the thread is definitely in the channel between the discs, but still too loose and looping, try raising presser foot and remove your thread.

Now, with a 2" (50mm) wide strip piece of fabric 8 - 10" (20 - 25cm) moistened with methylated or denatured spirit, gently insert the fabric strip and clean between the discs with
a see saw / to and fro action.

In the worst cases, gentle use of a needle to pick & remove the jam may be necessary, but be very gentle and make sure the tension is set at Zero and the presser foot is raised, (to
disengage tension plates).... do not gouge or score the plates, they need a polished surface to work correctly.

BOBBIN TENSION:
Far less common, but if the loose threads are on the top, it is bobbin tension that is loose, it too may have lint in the spring and be giving a "false" tension.

I would not recommend fiddling with bobbin tension without good reason, it may end up with missing small screws and spring pieces, however, you can take the needle plate off to clean
the hook race area (where bobbin case sits)

...this is just good housekeeping, my wife does this every time she replaces the bobbin....

just take it out and clean the bobbin case and the fixed metal hook race with a small brush to remove lint. If there is a significant amount of lint, use a vacuum and small brush to get the worst.

Then wipe all this area with a cloth or cotton bud (Q tip) moistened (not soaked) with methylated spirit, especially if there appears to be fine dirty deposits....oil and lint combine to conspire against you.

If it seems likely that you ......really ....do .....actually .....need .....to adjust the bobbin case, first check there is no lint trapped in the metal spring where the thread is tensioned.

TOP LOADER:
Drop-in Bobbin case will look similar to this image with the tension screw in the middle of the metalwork....

4c76dc1.jpg ...the other screw at one end is holding it all together, so beware....it is not a tragedy to undo the whole lot and clean it, but very gingerly and lay the bits out in sequence and orientation, or you risk tearing your hair out !

FRONT LOADER:
....this is a bobbin case from a front loading machine and works in a very similar fashion to the top loader with drop in bobbin, again, if you dismantle it, take care so you can put it all
back properly.
165ca5c.jpg FINISHING UP
GETTING THE BALANCE RIGHT:
When you are certain there's no trapped lint in top tension or bobbin, set the top tension to 4 and the bobbin tension to a point where you just begin to feel resistance.

Try using good quality thread of contrasting colours so you can more easily spot the changes.

Set your zigzag to one width less than maximum (eg. 5 of 6 ...or... 4 of 5 etc) and sew a sample for a few inches and check the result.... adjust the bobbin tension screw very little at
a time, perhaps 1/16 of a turn.

You may find you are playing with this balance for some little while and if you are putting the needleplate on and off each time begin to think it cannot be correct to do this.....BUT....it is,
and eventually, you do get a "feel" for the correct tension and then it happens quite quickly.....as a user you won't be doing it very often unless there is lint built up (or are there small hands at work around the house !?!?!)

OTHER ISSUES:
If you live near the ocean as we do, salt air can play havoc with metalwork inside and out, so to help minimise this, keep a few small packets of dessicant (silica gel) in your machine
case....no case ? then make some sort of cover !

Same applies in any damp or humid environment, keep your machine dry and dust free.

Budget for a proper full service every couple of years (more often if heavily used) and if you don't use your machine for a few years, be aware that old oil will dry out and combining with
dust and form a "clag" like glue (another reason for some sort of cover, even a teatowel !)

FINALLY, A WORD ON THREAD:
If it is worth spending the time, energy and money on making something that you would like to give lasting enjoyment......use quality thread, .......it may seem to cost a little more at the
time, but the results, ease of use and added longevity will be worth the extra, and as a bonus, your tension troubles may be fewer and further between, because there is a more consistant diameter with good thread, and less compensating to be done by your tension plates and less thread breaks !

If you want any more help with this, just post back here, or, drop a line through the "Contact Us" page at www.bargainbox.com.au

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 22, 2010

SOURCE: The thread from the needle that goes down to pick up bobbin doesn

make sure your needle's flat bit shows to the back and it is in deep anough. else your timing is out.

redcapn

  • 36 Answers
  • Posted on May 25, 2010

SOURCE: Singer Model 6233 While sewing the bobbin cas...

If you broke a needle and cannot get it to pick up the thread from the bobbin you need to check your timing. Remove the needle plate and turn the machine over watching the needle, when it is at the bottom of its travel the hook on the shuttle should be right next to or a fraction from the needle. So that as the needle begins to move upward the hook should pass it if it passes to soon it will miss the loop of thread. Check to make sure your needle is installed all the way up in the bar. If your machine is out of time and you are fairly handy, you can retime it. There should be 2 set screws some where behind the shuttle. Loosen them, one loose and one only as loose as need be to turn the shuttle. The needle must have moved upward about 1/16 before the hook is in place to catch the loop. This can be time comsuming, and you will have trial and error. Good luck. P.S. always check for simple stuff before you go for the hard stuff.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 24, 2010

SOURCE: I have a kenmore sewing

Usually when you pull the clutch knob out it disengages the sewing machine needle shaft. At least, that is how my 2 Kenmore's work. You can always take your machine into Sears sewing department and ask the sewing machine salespeople for help, they are really helpful in my area and more than happy to help you for free. Good luck

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 31, 2011

SOURCE: i have a singer stylist model 413 that the bobbin

I have the same problem! Did you ever figure it out?

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How does bobbin work

don't forget to load the spool under the foot plate with cotton as well and make sure its loose thred it up and try to watch if it picks it up from under the foot and pull it out so you have one cotton from the bobbin and one coming out from under the foot through a small hole and try again
let me know if you still have problems with it the timeing might be out a bit as well
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The bobbin thread will not raise with the needle

1. REPLACE NEEDLE W/FLAT PART AWAY FROM YOU.
2. MAKE SURE THE TOP THREAD IS PROPERLY THREADED.
3. INSURE BOTTOM BOBBIN IS ROTATING RIGHT DIRECTION. (USUALLY COUNTERCLOCKWISE) ALLOW THREE INCHES OF THREAD PULLED AWAY.
4. HOLD TOP THREAD W/LEFT HAND AND ROTATE HAND WHEEL TOWARDS YOURSELF. DOES IT BRING THE BOBBIN THREAD UP?
5. IF THE BOBBIN CARRIER IS INSTALLED PROPERLY THE HOOK (POINTED OBJECT) UNDER THE BOBBIN SHOULD "HOOK" THE TOP THREAD AND BRING THE THREAD AROUND THE BOBBIN THREAD. THE NEEDLE AND TOP THREAD SHOULD BE PULLING THE BOBBIN THREAD UPWARDS. IF THE HOOK DIDN'T "HOOK" THE NEEDLE THREAD THE PROBLEM IS THE DISTANCE OF THE NEEDLE AND HOOK APART OR THE TIMING. YOU MAY TRY TO MOVE THE NEEDLE TO THE LEFT SIDE AND AGAIN TRY ROTATING THE HAND WHEEL. IF IT DOESN'T WORK THEN TRY TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT AND ROTATE THE HAND WHEEL. IF IT BRINGS THE BOBBIN THREAD UPWARDS IN EITHER CASE IT WILL SHOW A PROBLEM WITH TIMING. THIS WILL NEED TO BE ADJUSTED BY A PROFESSIONAL.
6. REMEMBER TO PUT ONE DROP OF OIL ON THE RACE TRACK BEFORE YOU PUT THE BOBBIN CARRIER IN.
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Hand wheel spins

You may have it locked in to bobbin wind mode.
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Wont pick up

Do this by turning the wheel by hand. The bobbin thread will make a small loop on the way up. Move something thin from front to back, catching the top thread under the needle and the bobbin loop thread will come out. Move both threads towards the back and go!
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Pfaff select 1540 bobbin thread jam

if there is a thread in the hook area try taking a pair of needle nose
pliers to try & get the thread out, if that doesn't work then you might
think about taking the machine to a sewing machine shop to have the
machine checked since the needle will not go up & down & handwheel
won't move
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I can't get the needle thread to pick up the bobbin thread. It's driving me crazy!

Is this a result of you having a problem? One of two things

1) You knocked the clutch out, check you manual on locking the timing back in
2) You knocked the timing off enough that the bobbin hook isn't picking the needle thread up.

Look at the bobbin area and slowly spin the hand wheel. Does your bobbin hook move at all? If it is moving look to see if the hook passes the needle just as the needle begins it's upward journey.

Good Luck!
Chris
glfi.com
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Neddle will not pick up bobbin thread

Check the needle to see if it's damaged
check the needle to see if it's in backwards
Make sure the bobbin has a 3-5 inch thread tail
Then make sure the top thread has a 3-5 inch tail
Then hold the top thread tail with your fingers (away from the needle)
& use the hand wheel on the right hand side of the machine to slowly
Lower the needle in the bobbin area & see if the bobbin thread will pick
Up that way
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My machine will not sew. it isn't picking up the bobbin thread

Check the needle to see if it's damaged
Make sure the bobbin has a 3-5 inch thread tail
Then make sure the top thread has a 3-5 inch tail
Then hold the top thread tail with your fingers (away from the needle)
& use the hand wheel on the right hand side of the machine to slowly
Lower the needle in the bobbin area & see if the bobbin thread will pick Up that way
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Singer 750 how to rewind the bobbing?

1. Push in indent (illustration 1) on hand wheel disc. This will stop the needle from moving.
2. Place spool of thread on spool pin.
3. Slide spool pin holder/cap (illustration 2) firmly over rim of spool to prevent thread from tangling.

1. Push in indent (illustration 1) on hand wheel disc. This will stop the needle from moving.
2. Place spool of thread on spool pin.
3. Slide spool pin holder/cap (illustration 2) firmly over rim of spool to prevent thread from tangling.

4. Lead thread passing it first through the lower slot of the thread guide. Next through the upper slot, leading the thread to the right and around (illustration 3).
5. Wind thread clockwise around front of bobbin winder tension disc (illustration 4).
7. Pass thread end, from inside, through small hole in rim of bobbin.
8. Holding thread end, step on speed controller to run machine until desired amount of thread is wound. (Winding stops automatically once bobbin is full.)
9. Cut thread; push bobbin to the left and remove it from bobbin winder pin.
10. Trim thread end from top of bobbin.
11. Press the bobbin winding indent on hand wheel to its original position. If necessary, turn hand wheel to engage needle movement.


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