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Troy 1981 Horse, Recoil will not retract, can anyone offer a quick solution untill I can get it serviced?

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  • Robert Bradley May 15, 2009

    I have a 1981 Troy 7 HP tiller and the recoil (rope to start engine) will not retract and the rope is left fully extended and can not pull it again to try to start engine. The rope broke last year and I had it serviced at my John Deere Dealer because I neded work done on one of my John Deere Tractors. They have since gone out of Business, this year was the first time I tried to use the tiller after that service. The recoil (I may not be using the right term because of the respons
    e I have received from my first question) but that is what i thought it was called and have beencalling it a recoil for 50 years now, but I could be wrong?
    I am a Carpenter and am not too proud to admit I could be wrong, when something is out of my field of expertise. So if I have explained my problem and better could someone else take a crack at it?
    Thank You
    Rob Brad

  • Robert Bradley May 15, 2009

    I have a 1981 Troy 7 HP tiller and the recoil (rope to start engine in housing) will not retract and the rope is left fully extended and will not pull it again to try to start engine. The rope broke last year and I had it serviced at my John Deere Dealer because I neded work done on one of my John Deere Tractors. They have since gone out of Busness, this year was the first time I tried to use the tiller after that service. The recoil (I may not be using the right term because of the response
    I have received from my first attempt for an answer to my question) but that is what i thought it was called and have been calling it a recoil for 50 years now, but I could be wrong?
    I am a Carpenter and am not too proud to admit I could be wrong when something is out of my field of expertise. So if I have explained my problem any better could someone else take a crack at it?
    Thank You
    Rob Brad

  • Robert Bradley May 15, 2009

    Thank you, you are making sense! I have taken the cover off and have located the part you speak of (I can not understand why my Dealer did not replace it when I brought it in?, But I was not a fan of the prices and service they charged and moved or went out of Bus without telling me after using them since the early 80's!!!!)

    It still does open up (3 prongs that spring back out after I push them in manually but do not seem to as quick or as strong to release to connect to the flywheel) Would you recommend that I take it apart and take a look to see if something has moved or been misplaced? I do have a little common sense and will not try to start if I feel I have made it worse!

    If that is the case do you know of an on line parts supplier that can send me one fast? I know this is an old model and even went 200 miles to buy it because I owned a Troy just like it in the 80's and did not wan to buy one of the new ones. In the 3 or 4 years I have had this one it has already paid for it's self 5 times over. The same reason I have a 1970 something John Deere 212 Garden Tractor which I prefer over my JD 445 Zero turn!

    Thank you very much for your help, I appreciate it, look forward to hearing from you

    Brad

  • Robert Bradley May 16, 2009

    Hi, Thank you again for your help. I took the cover off of the mechanism with the tiny spring and found that the spring had become unattached to the cover which would explain why the recoil was not working properly, I attached the spring to where it looked like it should be attached and put the recoil back o to the Tiller and the recoil worked perfectly. I will order another spring just in case it happens again. Unfortunately I am unable to start the Tiller, It has always started with a few pulls, I started from scratch according to the directions in my manual to reset the adjustment screws to the carburetor and still did not have any luck, I checked for gas being sent to the carborator and the gas was making it fine to the carburettor. i tried different checks on the operation of the tiller and everything seems to be working fine except for the inside of the metal inside the cap to the cover of the spark plug that seems to be worn and it also has a crack in the rubber piece that fits over the plug. The problem is probably related to those 2 things but of course with my limited experience in mechanics and engines I can't be sure. I will now try to find a part to replace the wire which puts me back to waiting for a part and really wanted to till so I can start planting my Vegtalbe garden this weekend, i am way behind on getting my gardens ready for the year due to a Medical problem that has me in and out of the hospital this spring and have to return in two weeks to have surgery and really wanted to have all my gardening done by then.



    I appreciate your expertise and giving me the confidence to look into the problem and follow your recommendations. I am new to using this site and want to give you the credit and make sure you receive the small payment for your help. Please let me know the best way I can do this for you and also let me know if you get compensated? I know you and many others reading my communication probably think I am a complete idiot for asking for advise to something that must seem so trivial to most , but as I have said before I try to stick to my Trade when it comes to repairs.



    Thanks again and please let me know the how to give you recognition and compensation?

    Brad

  • Robert Bradley May 18, 2009

    Local Wonder was to the point and very helpful and explained in a way that was easy to understand, I don't usually do mech. work but ws in a bin and needed some help fast and he was there for me and I appreciate it. Although I was able to fix the problem with my recoil ,the tiller would notstart and have to bring it infor service anyway but it was nice to fix the recoil with a little guidance from LW. I believe I need a (condenser?) because now the recoil works like it always has the engine won't start! I have never had trouble with this tiller and love it but it seems when you get behind in your work everything seems to go wrong, so it's time to regroup and put the garden off another week.

    Please use Local Wonder he is one of those people that knows a little bit about any things and was a pleasure to talk with and understand my problem.
    Thanks my Friend!
    BRAD
    robertbrad

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Hi, your terminology is correct. its a recoil mechanism. the will happen when the spring loaded(coil spring) system fails. there is a coil that is tightened within the re coil shield when you pull the rope to start the engine. there is also a safety clip that will become unstable over time. this clip, when broken or weak, will extent a couple of inches over time and it will catch the coil upon returning to its oringial state(recoiling action after you pull the rope and it comes back in the coil housing). when this happens, the force will shatter the clip and jammed the entire mechanism. this is the current state as is. the rope Will not retract.

Unfortunately, you will have to replace the mechanism and the coil spring.before the retraction will operate once more. this type of damage to the recoil system, will render the Tiller inoperable. I don't not recommend running the tiller with this failed mech. it could cause pull back that will pull your arm out of socket and it could damage the block as well.

You can try to adjust or recoil the rope by releasing the broken clip. to do this , you will have to remove a few screws form the starter shield that the recoil mech is housed in. this will slide of the tiller motor once the screws are relieved. once the shield is relieved, you can remove the failed spring disc and manually retract the rope. this Will only provide one good pull for the start attempt and be sure to let go of the rope after it is fully extend. if not, it will pull it back really hard.


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  • Michael Masters
    Michael Masters May 15, 2009

    Sure, if you can disassemble this unit, it is worth fixing it yourself. i have located a parts store that you can order the correct part from. just remember you will need the model number of you tiller when ordering. click the link below to be directed to an on line parts store. i have bookmarked the link to the appropriate page that you will need for your troy-BILT parts.

    CLICK HERE FOR TILLER PARTS(TROY_BILT)


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    Michael Masters May 15, 2009

    When you click on the link, the site will come up and just click on the Lawn and garden equipment parts links on the left. the select troy-built.

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    Michael Masters May 15, 2009

    From what you stated in your recent post, the mechanism seems to be weak for old age. i would replace the entire spring coil mech.

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    Michael Masters May 15, 2009

    Here is a direct link to the Troy-built parts store as well. this may be the better option when ordering parts.

    CLICK HERE


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    Michael Masters May 15, 2009

    Please rate and have a great weekend:)

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    Michael Masters May 16, 2009

    sure, by rating this a fix ya, it will help me get the recognition. thanks:)

  • Michael Masters
    Michael Masters May 16, 2009

    We don't think you are an idiot sir. not at all. everyone needs a little help every now and then:)

    God bless:)


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Hi,

I believe the float is sticking on carb. Try tapping on it lightly with a wrench and it will retract.

Thank you

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