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How to replace coolig fan sending unit on a 2008 chevy uplander


Why ? Did you test ? Hook up a scan tool to see if the PCM/ECM - engine computer is reading coolant temp. ? Testing not guessing ? Do you even know how the system works .

The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the engine control module (ECM) to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans and fan relays receive battery positive voltage from the underhood fuse block.
During low speed operation, the ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay, which is Fan 1 Relay, through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the low speed fan relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from Fan 1 Fuse 29 through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the Series/Parallel relay, which is the Fan 2 Relay, and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation the ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. The ECM supplies a ground path for the high speed fan relay, which is the Fan 3 Relay, and the Series/Parallel through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the Series/Parallel relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the Fan 3 Relay coil is energized, the relay contacts close to provide battery positive voltage from Fan 2 Fuse 33 on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have their own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
When the request for fan activation is withdrawn, the fan may not turn OFF until the ignition switch is moved to the OFF position or the vehicle speed exceeds approximately 10 mph. This is to prevent a fan from cycling ON and OFF excessively at idle.

Feb 27, 2017 | 2008 Chevrolet Uplander

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Fan is not working on 2001 Chevy Silverado 2500 truck radiator fan motor?


The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the powertrain control module (PCM) to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans and fan relays receive battery positive voltage from the underhood fuse block.
During low speed operation, the PCM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the low speed fan relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the low fan fuse through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the cooling fan s/p relay and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation the PCM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3 second delay, the PCM supplies a ground path for the high speed fan relay and the cooling fan s/p relay through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan s/p relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the high speed fan relay coil is energized closing the relay contacts and provides battery positive voltage from the high fan fuse on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have there own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
Your best bet would be to take your vehicle to a qualified repair shop !
Relay Driven Dual Cooling Fan Diagnostics

Aug 19, 2016 | 2001 Chevrolet Silverado 2500

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Engine cold. Start engine reading says engine hot ac off. Fans run all time.


Are the fans running on low or high ?
Circuit/System Description
The engine control module (ECM) commands the fans ON in either high speed or low speed, depending on cooling requirements. In low speed, both fans are turned ON at a reduced speed. High speed has both fans turned ON at full speed.
In low speed operation, the ECM applies ground to the coil side of the fan low relay. This energizes the coil and applies voltage directly to the left cooling fan through the switch side of the fan low relay, which is fed by the fan 1 fuse. The right fan is connected in series to the left fan through the de-energized fan control relay so that both operate at low speed.
In high speed operation, the ECM applies a ground to the coil side of the fan low relay, the fan control relay , and the fan high relay. On the fan high relay, the energized coil closes the switch side of the relay and applies voltage directly to the right cooling fan through the switch side of the relay, which is fed by the fan 2 fuse. At the same time, the ECM energizes fan control relay pulling the switch side over, providing a direct path to ground for the left cooling fan, which has voltage applied through the energized fan low relay. In high speed mode, the fans are operated as a parallel circuit with full voltage applied to each.
You should have it hooked up to a scan tool that can read engine sensor data parameters . Check for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes etc...
Circuit/System Verification
  1. If DTCs P0480 or P0481 are set, perform those diagnostics first.
  2. Ignition ON, verify with a scan tool that the control module is not commanding fan activation.
  3. Ignition ON, observe that the fans are not activated.
Your best bet is to take it to a ASE certified repair shop !

Jan 10, 2016 | 2009 Chevrolet Silverado 1500

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I have an 05rendezvous,need to locate switches for cooling system,fans aren't co ming on & now I'm going to need a new radiator,cuz plastic broke.But it broke before fans gave out.Which I changed stat


The engine cooling fan system is controlled by the body control module (BCM) and the powertrain control module (PCM) or engine control module (ECM). The BCM performs the calculations as to how long, when and what speed the cooling fans should turn on. The BCM then sends a class 2 message to the PCM/ECM to engage the cooling fan relays. If there is a malfunction with the BCM, the PCM/ECM will control the engine cooling fans independently. The engine cooling system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the PCM/ECM to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans and fan relays receive battery positive voltage from the underhood accessory wiring junction block. The ground path is provided at G100.
During low speed operation, the PCM/ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan 1 relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the cool fan 1 fuse through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the cooling fan 2 relay and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation the PCM/ECM supplies the ground path for the cooling fan 1 relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3 second delay, the PCM/ECM supplies a ground path for the cooling fan 3 or S/P relay and the cooling fan 2 relay through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan 2 relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the cooling fan 2 relay coil is energized closing the relay contacts and provides battery positive voltage from the cool fan 2 fuse on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have there own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
The BCM and PCM/ECM command Low Speed Fans on under the following conditions:
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Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 106?°C (223?°F).


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A/C refrigerant pressure exceeds 1 310 kPa (190 psi).


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After the vehicle is shut off if the engine coolant temperature at key-off is greater than 140?°C (284?°F) and system voltage is more than 12 volts. The fans will stay on for approximately 3 minutes.

The BCM and PCM/ECM command High Speed Fans on under the following conditions:
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Engine coolant temperature reaches 110?°C (230?°F).


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A/C refrigerant pressure exceeds 1 655 kPa (240 psi).


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When certain DTCs set.


The three relays are located in the under hood fuse / relay box ! You need to have it checked for DTC'S -diagnostic trouble codes ! An you need a GM Tech 2 scan tool !
This diagnostic procedure supports the following DTCs:
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DTC P0480 Cooling Fan 1 Relay Control Circuit


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DTC P0481 Cooling Fan 2 and 3 or S/P Relay Control Circuit


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DTC P0691 Cooling Fan 1 Relay Control Circuit Low Voltage


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DTC P0692 Cooling Fan 1 Relay Control Circuit High Voltage


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DTC P0693 Cooling Fan 2 and 3 or S/P Relay Control Circuit Low Voltage


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DTC P0694 Cooling Fan 2 and 3 or S/P Relay Control Circuit High Voltage


  1. Install a scan tool.
  2. Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
  3. With a scan tool, command the Fans Low Speed ON and OFF.
Do the low speed engine cooling fans turn ON and OFF with each command?
Go to Step 3
Go to Step 4

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Important:: A 3 second delay occurs before the powertrain control module (PCM)/engine control module (ECM) changes the cooling fan speed.
With a scan tool, command the Fans High Speed ON and OFF.
Do the high speed engine cooling fans turn ON and OFF with each command?

Aug 08, 2015 | Cars & Trucks

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My car 2008 Chevy Uplander warning light came on stating A/C shut off for engine protection. My question exactly as 1posted 2011. Gauge not Reading. Fan running continuously. Doesn't seem hot.


What gauge not reading , Temperature ? you posted back in 2011 ? You did feel you should take it to the repair shop ? You need to take this to a ASE certified repair facility ! This is a complex electronically controlled cooling system , Three relay's controlled by the ECM -engine control module turn the fans on in two different speeds ! There could be DTC'S diagnostic trouble codes stored in the ECM, HVAC module , BCM !
Circuit/System Description
The engine control module (ECM) commands the fans ON in high speed or low speed. In low speed, the fans are configured in series. In high speed, the fans are configured in parallel.
In low speed operation, the ECM applies ground to the coil side of the low speed fan relay, which is the Fan 1 Relay. Voltage is applied directly to the left cooling fan through the switch side of the low speed fan relay. The right fan is connected in series to the left fan through the de-energized Series/Parallel relay, which is Fan 2 Relay, so that both fans operate at low speed.
In high speed operation, the ECM applies a ground to the coil side of the low speed fan relay, the Series/Parallel relay, and the high speed fan relay, which is the Fan 3 Relay. Voltage is applied directly to the right cooling fan through the switch side of the high speed fan relay. The left cooling fan obtains voltage through the low speed fan relay and ground through the Series/Parallel relay.
When the ECM is commanding a fan relay ON, the voltage of the control circuit should be low, near 0 volts. When the ECM is commanding a fan relay OFF, the voltage of the control circuit should be high, near battery voltage.
One of the relays could be stuck on ! An for the gauge you have to have it removed an fixed , there is a stepper motor behind the gauge needle an they go bad ! Or replace the instrument cluster !

May 14, 2015 | Cars & Trucks

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My ac is not working I have a Chevy Tahoe 2005 the fans won't turn on either .


Hi Maria , The A/C system wouldn't keep the fans from running but none working cooling fans will keep the A/C from working ! This is a fairly complex system if your not familiar with this sort of thing ! I will add the description from the factory service manual.
Cooling Fan Control - Two Fan System
The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the powertrain control module (PCM) to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans and fan relays receive battery positive voltage from the underhood fuse block.
During low speed operation, the PCM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the low speed fan relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the low fan fuse through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the cooling fan s/p relay and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation the PCM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3 second delay, the PCM supplies a ground path for the high speed fan relay and the cooling fan s/p relay through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan s/p relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the high speed fan relay coil is energized closing the relay contacts and provides battery positive voltage from the high fan fuse on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have there own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
Do you have a check engine light lit ? The thing to do would have it check at the dealer or a ASE certified repair facility ! They could hook up a advanced scan tool an diagnose fairly quick ! Or you could find a wiring diagram an try testing with a volt meter yourself ! But watch yourself so you don't short out the PCM - engine computer !

May 01, 2015 | AC Cars & Trucks

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What is the factory setting for lowand high screws on 25cc craftsman blower


If the two screws are side by side, one is the high speed mixture screw and the other is the low speed mixture screw. To set the high and low adjustment screws, tighten the screws in until they stop, don't force the screw after it stops. Back each screw out 1 1/2 turns. The engine will start and run here if everything else is ok. Fine tune each adjustment screw by closing the screw off (CW) until the engine runs rough. Back the screw out (CCW) until the engine smooths out. Run the engine at full speed and adjust the high screw. Let off the trigger and adjust the low screw. Once the mixture screws are adjusted, you can turn the idle screw to adjust the idle speed. It can take some time getting it all adjusted.

Nov 20, 2013 | Garden

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Stihl FS 80 carburetor settings for high and low screws


Hi F Del
Before you remove or try to adjust your low and high speed jets you should always count the number of turns it takes to lightly seat the idle mixture screw and high speed needle adjusting screws.
Be sure to write the number of turns down on a piece of paper so you will know how many turns from the seated position to open the jets when you go to reinstall them, or if you remove them for cleaning or replacement.
If you have aready tried to adjust them then the adjustments below should get it running for you for final adjustment when warm.
Normally you will adjust your idle jet to 1/2-3/4 turn open from the bottom seated position.
Then you will re-adjust the low speed of the engine when the engine is warm by turning the idle screw in or out till the engine runs smoothly at idle speed, around 1200 RPM.
The high speed jet is adjusted to 1 1/2- 1 3/4 open from the bottom seated position, after the engine is warm.
Then re-adjusted by turning the High Speed jet adjustment screw in or out till the motor runs smoothly at high speed.
Alway use the "lightly seated" method if you have not changed the screw settings.
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Need intructions on carberator adjustments for mac-3514 35cc/cm3 runs but hard to start after using it for few minutes.


There is a low speed jet and high speed. Low speed sets the idle or stays running without feathering the throttle./// When setting high speed, hold the throttle wide open until engine revs high, then turn back in(at least ¼ turn) to slow the engine which in turn gives the engine more gas and runs cooler. If you have it too lean on the high speed, it will be hot and hard to start. Sometimes using 40 to 1 mix helps with starting, especially on older chainsaw. good luck

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I have a older model # 30 jiffy ice auger and i can not seem to keep it running consistanly. I was wandering what the carburator adjustments are. The low idle screw and the high idle screw where do I start...


Hello Randy. I can talk you through making adjustments to your Jiffy ice auger engine.
1. Read through the whole list before you start adjusting.
2. Close both jets GENTLY
3. Open the Low speed 1/4 turn
4. Open high speed jet 1 1/4 turn
5. Start engine.
6. Adjust low speed until idling smoothly.
7. Open her up wide open.
8. Adjust High speed until engine transitions smoothly from idle to high speed without bogging.
9. Shut engine off. Let it cool.
10. Once engine is cold. Fire it up and let it idle for 30 secs. Open it up wide open again. Adjust if necassary.

NOTE 1: The trick with the Jiffy's is to tune them during cold (ice fishing) weather.
NOTE 2: Low speed screw,the one on the left.
NOTE 3: High speed on the right.

Good luck ice fishing! Regards, Joe

Dec 31, 2009 | Sport & Outdoor - Others

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