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Old Montgomery Ward refrigerator came with home purchase and works fine, but rece3ntly I found a 1 inch hole melted in the floor of the (top)freezer. The hole has its edges curled UP (pointing toward the freezer's roof!)When it comes on, I can see the defrost element inside the floor of the freezer through the hole. What caused this? Is it a fire hazard? Can it be fixed?

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  • bricescre156 Apr 25, 2009

    Despite a fairly detailed description of the hole with "edges turned UPward"- the expert thinks someone poked a hole through the freezer's bottom. How could the hole have upturned edges then? Wouldn't those edges be downturned if someone "poked a hole" through the bottom? Duh! Obviously heat from INSIDE the floor of the freezer made that hole. Any items placed directly over the hole are melted- like plastic freezer bags, etc. But it's "NOT a fire hazard," he says. OK. We're keeping the hole UNcovered just in case. I am pretty good at most easy repairs and can use epoxy. Do you recommend I take a box cutter with fresh blade and trim those upturned edges, then push some kind of fireproof insulation through the hole but still in contact with the upper floor of the freezer, and then epoxy a thick piece of plastic over the hole? Since asbestos is outlawed, what kind of fireproof insulation would you recommend? Any other fixes? No, I can't see hiring anyone to do this. I just can't afford a new refrig right now.

  • bricescre156 Apr 25, 2009

    Thank you very much for your opinions. You say "there is no way this melting was done by an element," meaning the defrost element my wife and I have seen glowing red under the freezer compartment's floor. Hmmm. Gotta wonder WHY this red hot element isn't capable of causing such melting! Of course we believe it DID melt the floor of this freezer compartment. The question I pose to all of you (I didn't realize this was a forum until your earlier response....sorry,) is WHY did this happen? COULD it happen again after I patch the original hole? That hole was NOT a "service hole" and it had no manufacture's made "plug." It is right in the front of the freezer's floor, 4" in from the lip, AND the hole is smack dab on a structural plastic rib in the bottom of the freezer, not a place to put a service or drain hole.

    OK, I am starting to believe no one here has ever encountered such a mysterious hole, melted with UPTURNED EDGES in the bottom of a freezer compartment. Fine. I Googled it and could find absolutely nothing out there.I can accept that, but I sure don't like it.
    Ya see, I was led to believe that by paying $10 I would be answered by a refrigeration "expert" who had experienced this problem previously. If this is a public forum for helping fix various things, I'm all for it! I belong to a forum very simalar to this for Albin boat owners. We help each other out all the time, an invaluable resource. But this, frankly, was misleading. They offer you four levels of membership, one of which was email forum answers for free, and another was the $10 "professional expert opinion" level, THEN THEY SWAP THEM ON YOU? Don't take me wrong, I do appreciate ANY answers on such a RARE question, but where is the "refrigeration expert" I paid for? DOES ANYONE OUT THERE UNDERSTAND MY SITUATION HERE?
    Thanks again-
    Mike

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Yes the element can cause the melting but only if in the defrost cycle. this would pose a great problem if the temp coupler was defective allowing the cycle to not shut down. re apllying a patch will cover the hole but not solve the issue of why it was there in the first place. I understand that getting a new frig is out of the question right now, but you have to repair the fault in the defrost cycle. most likely you have a faulty temp sensor for your freezer . replacing this will not only solve the main issue but is quite inexpensive as well then you can patch the hole.

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Let me see whats going on here and try to provide you the asistance you need. The hole your discribing on this model had a plastic plug on it originally? or did you notice any plug on it at first. This is wht they called the service hole in lamons term as there is no way it could have been melted in that fashion by any element. You would have to take a torch to it literly to make this type of hole your discribing so thus it makes me beleave it is a service hole to make sure the element is working so they do not have to play guesswork when fixing it later on. Also the deforst element would have to get so hot that it would have melted like you said this 1 inch hole and there is not way this could have happend as they do not get that darn hot unless there was a constant heat going on in the bottom of this refridge witch make me think it was plugged at first and it was smaller then that and then it got bigger over time and you did not notice it until now. This can be fixed "Yes" you can buy a plug to put over it from Home Depo you need to file down the edges tho so the plug will fit and if it happens again you are going to need to have the defrost element fixed, i would recommend a good cleaning under the unit as well. If this information help you out in any way please rate it this helps us help you and keeps this site alive! Use the Fixya rating if you think this solution help you in any way and Thank you for allowing me the chance to help you today and I am sorry for the experience you have look me up here I will love to help you again.

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    Use no installion at all just buy a plug flie down the edges with a file. You can buy these plugs at a home depo or any home DIY store, please do not shove anything in the hole this will cause more issues. You can use anything that does not melt do not use plastic.

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    Grand Canyon Tech Apr 25, 2009

    Here is some more infromation to help you out, There is a foam sealent from homedepot that is fire resistent you can shoot in there then plug it up, please do not use plastic use metal plug again they sale these at a DIY stores like Home Depot.





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Hi there,

it could be because of hard object accidentally push into it that why it has this hole. if its a fire hazard. NO. it can be fixed by patching the hole, or disassembling the compartment area. better call a repairman in doing this, you need someone to help you patching/fixing that hole.

Just let me know for further assistance.

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