Question about Slider Lutron: Dual Fan Control / Light Dimmer: 300w, Single Pole

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Control fan/light separately, with only two wires

I have a combination ceiling fan + light. I would like to have the fan and light controlled separately from the wall, however the house is not wired for it (only one hot and one neutral going from the wall to the fixture).

The fan/light fixture does have two hots and a neutral, but both hots are wired together at the base of the fan. There are two chains to control the light and fan speed. The chains are fine, but what I really want is full-range dimming of the lights, while maintaining fan speed. (And I'd prefer to control it from the wall rather than pulling chains.)

What I am imagining is this: a small device to install above the base of the fan, which would split the single hot wire into two separate hots for the light and fan. A special wall control would communicate with the above-fan device, instructing it to power the light and/or the fan.

This seems to me like a relatively simple application of a proven technology (ethernet and HD can be sent over a powerline, so why not a signal to dim a light or turn on a fan at speed 2?) I just wonder if someone has implemented it and if it's available for a reasonable price.

Thanks!
~David.

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  • dle3ab Apr 23, 2009

    Thanks, guys, for the input!

    It sounds like noone's doing a signal-over-power solution as I'd hoped. I'm not fond of these radio gadgets, and the cheapest remote/receiver (in fact the only one I've found) is $75:

    http://www.ylighting.com/mod-mf005.html

    I guess I will have to look more seriously into adding an additional hot wire.

    This is an old house with two add-ons, and 5 fan+light fixtures, so the situations vary. One has a conduit, so that one should be easier, and thus a good place to start. So I guess I'll see if I can do that one and then think about the others.

    Cheers,
    David.



  • dle3ab May 25, 2009

    Thanks for the idea -- Home Depot has three different wireless transmitting devices that will work, and the cheapest is less than $30! I may go for the $50 Lutron, as the dimmer control is functionally superior IMO. This is a great find -- duh, of course I should have gone to Home Depot in the first place -- thanks very much.


  • Brent  Reddick
    Brent Reddick May 11, 2010

    Can you change wire from wall to fan? < would you feel comfortable doing this? if you can then could give you instruction for set up.

  • Frank
    Frank May 11, 2010

    I would just pull the 2 sets of wires and install the switch on the wall. it looks better and clean. besides cheap about $40 should do the job.

  • Frank
    Frank May 11, 2010

    you are talking about wireless device, it is not cheap at this time. cost of the device is going to run you $100-200 per device. for a dual device control it should run you about $300-400.



    here is a thought, check out radio shack or other hobby shop for a set of remote control deices.

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They are available at Home Depot and Lowes. Hunter makes a wall mounter dimmer that will control the lights and fan speed separately. There is a receiving unit that mounts above the fan to the house wires on one side and the others connect to the fan.

The two hots you mentioned should be a black one and a blue one. The blue is for the lights; the black the fan. Ground everything you can to boxes, etc, if the house is only a two wire system without a ground.

I believe that remote wall switch and receiver runs close to $40.

Sirwriter

Posted on May 23, 2009

  • Dan Todd May 23, 2009

    Au Contraire. Look at Insteon.com, and you will find that you can find dimmers, either RF or IR controlled, which can be hooked to a Harmony remote or and Insteon remote. Usually, you need two remotes or a remote and a relay installed. The dimmers from Insteon run only on a ground and a white neutral wire. They are easy to wire in (in a 1,2,3, or 4 gang box in place of the traditional switch. Also, check out Homeautomation.com for pricing and ordering. Stay away from anything other than Insteon (speaking from experience.)

    Note: The Insteon signals are dual mesh, that is, running on a combination of the relay signal as well as the house current.

    Sirwriter


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