Any opinions on this PSU?

The picture showing the same layout, circuit board wasn't
enough? What do you consider evidence, will a PC P&C
employee need to walk up and tell you, or will it need be
the PC P&C President that does it?

<yawn
Yes

Much less?
I've already provided links regarding the identical
topology/board of the PC P&C, and links of lower price. If
you expect your random thoughts to be accepted, YOU TOO will
have to provide links showing this "must less than..."
figure. Further, PC P&C doesn't sell it for $160, they add
shipping @ about $11.50. It's quite rare to pay that much
to ship a mere PSU. I used to ship boxes with 2 or more PSU
and misc. bits for about that and this wasn't with a volume
discount they would have.

Then reality is a difficult thing for you to swallow.

Oh? Their web page click-through seems to have obscured
this. It's not on their homepage.

Is it on the Silencer 610 product page? Nope.
What if I click the "order" button on the product page?
Nope, cheapest shipping option is the ~ $11.50 as I already
mentioned.

OK then, what about clicking the "ordering" link at the top,
then "Order Online"? Nope.

UL does not do their testing by watching you fiddle with a
product. THEY do it.

Yes, but it's not a fitness-for-purpose test, it's a safety
test.

You have quite an imagination. They have no need to retest
designs already submitted until there is a significant
change, then the product is resubmitted.

Actually it's obvious, all but the lowest-end PSU are UL
listed.

Yes. You're trying to imply it means more than that.

Yes, when the unit is overloaded, overtemp, it has to shut
down. They don't deny listing when the number on a label is
peak rather than sustained output. You seem completely
oblivious to this.

I highly suspect you're making all this up because your
arguments have run out of steam.

When it's not on sale, yes. What's your definition of
normal if not that? Since I already linked 3 different
places selling the Seasonic for less, and can provide at
least 5 more links if you're still foolish enough to argue
it, that'd make you look desperate enough that in context,
your entire argument must be to divert from the past points
you can't counter.

Here's another,
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Although they wrote "sale price", everything on the site is
this "sale price".

and another,
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and another,
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These aren't the 5 links either, I could provide 5 more with
it still cheaper but already it seems obvious that you're an
idiot.

I don't expect you to like anything except PC P&C, and to
argue against every possible angle in favor of them because
you are a shill.

Quite on topic. It is amusing that the more you post, the
lower the ratio of fact to nonsense. Turbocool with it's
higher airflow rate will be a lower liability (if anything)
at same wattage, IF they were equivalent quality. It costs
MORE instead. While it's a bit excessively priced too, at
least for that price you are getting something significantly
better for the $.

What info did you request from them?

Meaning what? That's it's a *different* Seasonic PSU? Still waiting
for you to post the evidence of that.

Gee, *you* griped above about it not having justification for its
higher cost. And you *still* haven't provided one iota of evidence
that it is "essentially the same PSU."

Again?

I was going by URL posted here which had it at $160 (Newegg?) Yeah.

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And PCP&C dealers get it and sell it for much less than the retail $160.

As far as I'm concerned, the price is a wash.

All web orders qualify for free regular shipping.

Wrong again. They run continuous load tests as part of their
transformer core and winding temperature tests. This is one of
the first things checked, to make sure that the magnetics class
temperature is not being exceeded. I have attached these thermo-
couples myself, and had the UL rep watching over my shoulder.

UL allows its insignia to be put on the input/output label after
they have completed testing. A copy of the authorized label is
on file at UL. UL conducts unannounced audits to make sure only
authorized labels are being used. At lunch during one such audit,
the UL rep told me some hilarious stories of attempts to circumvent
this system. Big trouble if you get caught.

Totally fictitious statement.

You're in denial, Kony. Saying that I "don't have a clue about UL"
is only further exposing your own ignorance on the subject. The UL
label signifies safety. Safety against fire is part of the tests.
[I have scorched much cheesecloth during these tests.] Full rated
load temperature tests of both the output transformer windings and
core are also part of these tests. Deal with it.

Who is "they" ?? PCP&C? They just "swap the 'sinks and top panel/fan" ?
You still haven't provided any evidence of this.

Newegg charges "normal" price?

Yeah, I love some of the customer feedback at the URL you gave
for the Fortron/Sparkle "comparable" unit. No thanks. <g
You're totally evading your statement above about the Silencer
line being *created* to provide a lower cost PSU. You were dead
wrong, but now attempt to change the focus. Typical.

Let's see...you're wrong about UL; wrong about the reason the
Silencer line was created, have given absolutely no evidence
that the Silencer 610 is a rebadged Seasonic 12-600...not having
a very good day, are you?

<snip
On second thought, the above is probably wrong. The percent
is likely closer to 70%, and to be optimistic and think it's
of the peak 670W instead of sustained 610W, that puts it
closer to 40A... but only if it's 40A PEAK, not sustained,
which brings us back to the issue of overspec'ing for
continuous output current, or rather, not over-spec'd but
omitted details in the spec sheet.

Taking the middle road, figuring 70% of the 610W,
.7*610=427, /12 = 36. Coincidence that this is about the
same as the 18+18 amps rating of the Seasonic? Maybe, but
doubtful given virtually same PCB inside the Seasonic.

Nope, it's a close relative.

Why should it cost more for essentially the same PSU?

So sorry but you're wrong again. It is often on sale but
sold for $120.

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this place recently RAISED it's price but it's still only
$140
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here it is for $127... sold out too, but that's what happens
when the price is good.
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I don't even recall but does PCP&C have free shipping? If
not, the cost difference is even larger.

Yes

Oh? Show us this test.
UL does not run continuous load tests. Frankly I don't
think it can even run continuously at 49A and PC Power &
Cooling conveniently forgot to clarify this.

What they DID spec was a continuous power of 610W, TOTAL.
Now lets see... 49A * 12V = 588A. Did you really believe
the other rails only had 22W then? Unfortunately in the
real world, a percentage of the transformer has to be
devoted to the rail, the secondary windings are fixed. For
it to ALSO be able to put out the 5V rating, we have to see
that 610W continuous power as the sum of the 5V and 12V
rails. Supposing the 12V is about 60% of the transformer
capacity, that's 0.6* 610 = 366W. 366W/12V = 30.5A.

Hmm, that is more in line with what Seasonic spec'd, funny
that.

UL does not make labels specifying wattage. PC Power &
Cooling does. UL may never see the final label.

PC Power and Cooling can put anything they want on the
label. UL does not validate the continuous wattage, but boy
do I wish they did, we'd be rid of a lot of (other) junk
generics years ago.

I can see you don't have a clue about UL.

You don't get it do you?
I could take one and swap the 'sinks and top panel/fan
pretty easily. That's WHAT THEY DO.

No, you're ignoring everything, apparently, including the
NORMAL $160 delivered price of the Seasonic as well as the
$130 discounted price. I wouldn't expect you to consider
these FACTS though, because fiction is easier to use to
support an idealism about PC P&C instead of recognizing that
they are a business and as such, have to charge a certain %
as the middleman and that cost gets passed on to consumers.

When the result is a premium unit like the Turbocool 510+W
units, great. When result is a little more expensive than
comparable PSU from several manufacturers, it's a different
story.

I hope you're better at your day job.
The Silencer will pop like a firecracker if it's silent
putting out 610W. Do the math-

610/83% efficiency = 735W total
(I'm being generous, we don't know it'll have efficiency as
high as 83% at full load)

735W-610W= 125W

Do you seriously believe that while generating 125W
internally, it can quietly cool itself with a 80mm fan in a
pre-heated (in other words, a normal system) chassis? Not a
chance in hell. Maybe Antarctica.