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I recently purchased the pioneer elite pro 111FD. Upon hooking up my new Sony Blu-Ray BDP-S350 (through HDMI) I am encountering a black bar top and bottom when watching movies. I have tried several blu-ray movies and the problem is consistent. The only way I have been able to fix this problem has been to ZOOM the aspect ratio on my pioneer TV. However the image is then horizontally squished and unrealistic. ANY SOLUTIONS? Is this the Sony blu-ray player, Blu-ray in general, my HDMI connectiion or my TV. Thanks so much, Cindy

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  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    This TV PLASMA not rear projection

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    1. But this does not happen with no-blu ray DVDs
    2. Am I able to adjust the ZOOM scaling on my Pioneer Plasma?

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    I have tyried several DVD's and it seems to be happening on all. Is there a blu-ray that I can purchase that handles this situatiion better?

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    The plasma elite is a very high end HDTV. Why would I bring the resolution down to 78oi?

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    The DVD is 1080p High Definition. The top and bottom bars still appear when I set my TV to widescreen.

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    Yes, the TV has a zoom feature, but image is too squished horizontally. Which brings me back to my original question. Can I adjust the Pioneer Zoom feature to be more accurate. Or, is there a blu-ray player out there that better nhandles the top and bottom black bar situation?

    Thanks, Cindy

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    I received this standard answer already.

  • nycwoman1 Mar 01, 2009

    The black bars are large and greatly reduce the size of the image -- defeating the point of having a large screen TV. In any case, I turned off DOT-BY-DOT which did not help the situatiion. Is there another BLU-RAY player that resolves this?

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Its normal what you r getting as non blu rat disc will show that black bar on the top and the orignal disc will not show as they are actually supported by the player and other disc are not supported.this is not a fault in the player nor in the tv its just the system. thanks.

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No matter thr resolution of the TV, various films are shot at a certain ratio - and as you have discovered, stretching the image to fit the screen is not the answer - you simply come out with distorted & unrealistic images.
The aspect ratio is set by the film makers. On replay at home, it is necessary to set the ratio to appear as close as possible to "real"
You will find films with wider or thinner bars (pillbox). There is no "cure all" answer - you are at the mercy of the filmmaker.
On the DVD cover, you will find the aspect ratio of the film - 16:9 etc. (that is 16 pixels WIDE to 9 pixel high)
The aspect ratio of an image is its width divided by its height.

Aspect ratios are mathematically expressed as x :y (pronounced "x-to-y") and x×y (pronounced "x-by-y"). The most common aspect ratios used today in the presentation of films in movie theaters are 1.85:1 and 2.39:1[1]. Two common videographic aspect ratios are 4:3 (1.33:1), universal for standard-definition video formats, and 16:9 (1.78:1), universal to high-definition television and European digital television.
Other cinema and video aspect ratios exist, but are used infrequently.
In still camera photography, the most common aspect ratios are 4:3, 3:2, and more recently being found in consumer cameras, previously only commonly seen in professional cameras, 16:9[2][3]. Other aspect ratios, such as 5:4, 6:7, and 1:1 (square format), are used in photography as well.

Converting formats of unequal ratios is done by either cropping the original image to the receiving format's aspect ratio, by adding horizontal mattes (letterboxing) or vertical mattes (pillarboxing) to retain the original format's aspect ratio, or by distorting the image to fill the receiving format's ratio. Cinematographic aspect ratios are usually denoted as a decimal fraction width to unit height, while videographic aspect ratios are usually denoted by ratios of whole numbers.
In motion picture formats, the physical size of the film area between the sprocket perforations determines the image's size. The universal standard (established by William Dickson and Thomas Edison in 1892) is a frame that is four perforations high. The film itself is 35 mm wide (1.38 in), but the area between the perforations is 24.89 mm×18.67 mm (0.980 in×0.735 in), leaving the de facto ratio of 4:3, or 1.33:1.[4]

With a space designated for the standard optical soundtrack, and the frame size reduced to maintain an image that is wider than taller (mimicking human eyesight), this resulted in the Academy aperture of 22 mm×16 mm (0.866 in×0.630 in) or 1.37:1 aspect ratio.

16:9 (generally named as: "Sixteen-Nine", "Sixteen-by-Nine" or "Sixteen-to-Nine") is the international standard format of HDTV as used in Australia, Brazil, Canada, Japan, South Korea, and the United States, as well as in Europe on HDTV, non-HD digital television and analog widescreen television (EDTV) PALplus.
Many digital video cameras have the capability to record in 16:9. Anamorphic DVD transfers store the information vertically stretched in a 4:3 aspect ratio; if the TV can handle an anamorphic image, it will horizontally decompress the signal to 16:9. If not, the DVD player can reduce scan lines and add letterboxing before sending the image to the TV, made easier by the simple 4:3 aspect ratio between 4:3 and 16:9 (16:9 = 4:3 × 4:3). Wider ratios such as 1.85:1 and 2.40:1[1] are accommodated within the 16:9 DVD frame by additional black bars within the image itself. After the original 16:9 Action Plan of the early 1990s, the European Union and Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina have instituted the 16:9 Action Plan,[citation needed] just to accelerate the development of the advanced television services in 16:9 aspect ratio, both in PAL and also in HDTV.

In Europe 16:9 is being adopted as the standard broadcast format for digital and high definition TV; some countries have even adopted the format for analogue television by means of the PalPlus standard.

So your problem is not one that can be solved with a hardware or software upgrade.
You are at the mercy of the filmmaker/editor.

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HI,
The reason is that because 1.85:1 is so close to 1.78:1 (16x9) that the very small black bars on the top and bottom usually get cropped off in overscan. On top of this, most movie channels will crop 'em out anyways. The easiest way to see an example of this is to pop in a 1.85:1 Blu-ray Disc and disable your display's overscan -- every manufacturer seems to have its own name for this, Samsung calls it 'Just Scan' while Pioneer calls it 'Dot by Dot,' for example.

So these are the examples of why you'd see black bars on your HDTV. Ultimately the black bars aren't the end of the world and in fact they allow you to enjoy the image the way it was intended to be consumed. So rather than fight them, just kick back and enjoy the part of the image that is there -- we prefer to think of the image as twice as wide, rather than half as tall. The only other thing we'd like to point out is that HD comes in many different aspect ratios and although content specifically created for HDTVs is 16x9, an old movie shot at 4x3 can have just as much detail as a newer movie can.

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There are black bars on about 80 % of movies. this is normal.

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    Just make sure that you are getting the full 1080 p . You must tell your blu ray player to output 1080p via hdmi . this should confirm on your tv remotes info button or status button. Do this while movie is playing not during previews or menu. during the actual movie you should be getting full 1080p to tv. Now you will most likely be getting bars on most blu rays since this is the way they are formatted for actual cinemas which is not a 16:9 screen. This is how the producers want you to see the movie so i do see a few other solutions by people stating this as well. They are correct as well as i am. This is normal. Trust us.

  • Chuck Mar 01, 2009

    you should see
    nenotech_neo
    he has a more in depth response to this as far as ratios are considered but like i said these aspect ratios are for actual cinemas not your tv. so when blu ray is the actual ratio of a cinema screen there needs to be an adjustment via black bars. This is the way it is in best resolution and clarity so do not zoom the picture. we are trying to help here and nenotech_neo gave a good solution as well as me.

  • Chuck Mar 01, 2009

    Cindy there is not a blu ray player out there that can help. These are not standard answers they are correct. You cannot remove the black bars unless you want to degregade the picture and i dont know why you would want to do that. Like someone said you have to get used to it. I wish there was a way to remove them but you cant. Not unless you want to kill the picture quality. We all own blu ray players here and we all came to realize you have to get used to it.

    I am not here to dissappoint you just to help clarify the situation for you.

    I hope this helps and enjoy the world of blu ray it is awesome!!!!! Wait till you get some 3-D movies like journey to center of the earth.

  • Chuck Mar 01, 2009

    dont turn off the dot by dot. The dot by dot is going to give the best picture. You cannot buy another blu ray player that will solve this. This is how the blu ray disc (the actual movie) is made. You will have to live with the bars as we all do unless you live in a movie theater. Do you notice when you go to the movie theater as long as it is a newer one that when the movie starts (not the preiviews) that the screen automatically adjusts to the movie. this is because every movie doesnt have the same size screen so up to date movie theaters have screens to compensate for this.

    you will just have to live with the bars. Unless the actual blu ray disc is 16:9. There are some out there. you can rent from Blockbuster 'Dan In Real Life'. This movie will fill up your tv screen. Try it.

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U have to reset all settings. u have treset all settings to factory defaults settings.

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Hi there,

You need to change the screen settings to Widescreen!

There should be a button on your remote to change this.

If not it may just be the format the blu ray is in... if the Blu ray is in 720p format then you will get the top and bottom black. If its in 1080p or 1080i you should be fine.

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That's normal if the tv is not set to hi definition or is not a hi definition tv you can likely change that in the settings on the tv/monitor 1280 x 780 i believe it is

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Please play another DVD to confirm that is it movie aspect ratio that causing top and bottom black bar?
If it is movie aspect ratio then no solution for that because it is not a problem and it just movie feature, like cinema scope movie.

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    Black bar is necessary to show Subtitle / translation text of movie.


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Hi there,
That's called Original Aspect Ratio (OAR). Most movies are wider than 16:9 and they don't fit on a 16:9 screen. So, black bars are needed to fill the unused space. It's correct.

If you insist on altering the movie from the way the director intended it to be shown, you have to use the zoom button on your TV. Most players can't zoom. Of course, zooming also reduces the clarity of the picture.

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    Widescreen displays have an aspect ratio of 1.78:1, but most movies are either 1.85:1 or 2.40:1, so to see the WHOLE movie, there needs to be black bars at the top/bottom.

    With most 1.85:1 movies the bars are so small that you do not notice them, or if your display has over scan there are no black bars seen despite being slightly larger than the screen aspect ratio.

    If you zoom in on the 2.40:1 movies you are not only losing part of the movie, but actually degrading the PQ of the movie as well.

  • nenotech_neo Mar 01, 2009

    No zoom feature on the Sony 350 so you would need to zoom in to full screen using your TV remote if it has a feature to change the ratio to full screen which I think most have.


  • nenotech_neo Mar 01, 2009

    ok.

    Go HERE for more Information.

  • nenotech_neo Mar 01, 2009

    OK… I think here is your solution….. upgrade the firmware of your player, I am sure that will solve the problem.

    Upgrade HERE



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    Good Luck!!!



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Go to the blue ray display settings and set it to Auto or to 16:9 or 4:3, according to your TV format.

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This is just the film ratio and can not be changed.

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    not without the cropping of the image as you have already described



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