remember that vcr's with built in tbcs can be a better vcr sometimes same with Svcrs so even though your Buying a good vcr you throw in the unneeded tbc as a extra, and when you show on this tbc device the pic will usually look better.
Looping if you LOOP through this to another recorder turn the tbc off when DVing also if you get them jvc things turn off R3 turn the edit switch on in picture control
a tech said the non tbc models of the jvc's have the same cheap mechanism as the tbc models, well he was basically correct, the arangement of some of the items is diferent, but the quality of all of them is the same CHEAP, even the $500 models, it amazed me to see a tech who thought that even the Casing on the units could be a little more substantial.
Martian sold by weight not by volume some settling of the components can occur during shipping :-)
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posted on Aug 02, 2007
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You're right, that's what I meant but I was just writing it badly. I added an exception to the TBC requirement in a paragraph that appears after the one you commented on. Any way you said it better than I did.
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posted on Aug 02, 2007
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While your info is correct when coming off an analog format (or a ccouple of pro digital formats), it is not correct when coming off DV. The sync info is never recorded to the DV tape. Therefore it can not be sloppy from tape inaccuracies. It is rock stable generated by the device playing the tape. It will never need the time base correction of a TBC. That is why they can get away with saying that they have a TBC built in.
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posted on Aug 02, 2007
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You can make great dups from DV to any format, but a TBC, waveform / vector scope, and proc amp is the equipment what's required to ensure that the analog video signal is the best it can be.
A TBC is a Time Base Corrector, it compensate for the video signal's timing inaccuracies when playing back from tape. Video tape stretches slightly, causing the video signal to become sloppy. This sloppiness causes degradation of the signal and shows up as dropouts, color shifting and other problems. The TBC restores the timing of the video signal to rock solid. Duping a tape without a TBC can add a significant loss of quality.
A Proc Amp allows for adjusting the video signal's setup (black level), video (white level), Hue (aligning the color signal), Saturation (color brightness). These values are best set initially with a vector / waveform scope while playing back SMPTE color bars recorded onto the tape. The color bars should be from a meaningful source like from the camera that originally shot the footage.
Here's a rundown on some of the analog formats:
Betacam / BetacamSP: This format is mainly for broadcast use and have their own TBC & proc amp built in.
VHS/SVHS/8mm/Hi-8: These formats are mainly consumer, but are frequently found in industry. Some models have TBCs, most do not.
DV: This format doesn't need a TBC since it's video signal isn't coming off an analog tape. The tape stretching is not a problem with video output. Most, if not all, DV decks have composite and "S" connectors. These connections interface consumer and industrial VCRs. The "S" connector gives better quality so use it for composite I/O when it's available.
Some DV decks have component connectors in addition to the composite connectors like the JVC BR-DV600U that can interface to the broadcast Betacam decks.
Whenever recording an analog video signal, the best quality is obtained from setting the video levels with the TBC, waveform / vector scope, and proc amp using color bars as outlined above.
Another deck to look into is the JVC HR-DVS1U / SR-VS10U. These are dual decks and have both DV and SVHS decks in the same box. Duping between DV & VHS uses internal connections, and the VHS side has a built in TBC. JVC has several other VHS models that have some level of internal TBC. Look at them here: #
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Solution #5
posted on Aug 02, 2007
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No, the 1980 does not have a full frame TBC. Full frame TBC's are only found in Professional VTR's like the AG-7750. The 1980 is an industrial prosumer deck. Professional VTR's come with balanced audio in and outputs and do not have a tv tuner built in as does the 1980.
Bob, VID-COM
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Solution #6
posted on Aug 02, 2007
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TBC only affects playback, not recording. And TBC is a built-in format requirement for all consumer and industrial DV gear.
Any decent Super-VHS deck, therefore, should make excellent standard VHS copies from a miniDV source.
Also, there are very few VHS-format decks with TBC, other than industrial (and very expensive) models.
The best VHS playback I've ever seen has been from Sony's SLV-R1000 deck (still available), fed to my 32" XBR100, and a Panasonic AG-1970 (now replaced by the AG-1980) fed to the 27" PVM-2950Q. IINM, the latter deck has a full-frame (or at least full-field) TBC and 3D comb filter.
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