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1997 Buick Skylark has dead short in fuse block

We have battery , alternator and starter off car and when you hook meter shows reading thru positive to negative on the fuse block, you take out fuses it doesnt, Can fuse block be bad

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  • kirkmiller May 11, 2010

    lights, fuses, LEDs and a couple other devices will ultimately make a fuse block look shorted. Instead of looking for resistance (ohms) I would put the battery back in. Then, if you have a problem you can start at the fuses and follow the voltage to any problems. 

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    CDNMoose May 11, 2010

    well to me the fuses complete the ciruit so when you put the meter on it it will read a signal. is your meter reading volts or ohms?

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Usually not pull the fuses one by one till it stops reading a short. Or since you have them all out put them in one by one until you see the short comeback. Then trace just the things on that circuit

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