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High-current power/data one wire bus?

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What does it buy you to have the PCB at the far end (versus only the LED)?

Since you have the wires from master to each node anyway, why not keep all
the control logic central? This is probably cheaper.

Gerhard

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posted on Aug 01, 2007
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Chandler

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Not sure if the small 16F parts support it. Would also give you enough pins
to drive multiple colours of LEDs at a node.

No

OK, that is a similar system to what I am suggesting except you are clamping
the voltage right down close to 0, which means you can use voltage sensing
at the power supply end. However this will mean that you will need to have a
power supply that has a sharp knee on its current limit, possibly even some
form of foldback current limit, and the pass element has the possibility of
getting very hot - remember this will have the whole power supply input
voltage across it while the node is shorting to ground, ant will need to be
current limited at a touch over 2A for 100 nodes at 20mA/node - want expandability. Not only that but the transistor at the node will have
to have this current capability as well. Note that unless you have some
large capacitance at each node, isolated from the supply by a diode, you may
see the transmission modulate the light level of any LEDs that are turned on
due to the chopping of the supply voltage.

The current modulation scheme is similar at the node end, except it uses a
higher value resistor, so the node can turn on sufficient current to be able
to be seen at the power supply as a current fluctuation. Not only that but
remember you have other current fluctuations caused by LEDs turning off and
on.

...

But you will want a checksum if you start doing firmware downloads.
Depending what you are using the LED display for, you may still want a
checksum of some sort, there is nothing more frustrating than having such a
system go AWOL in sequence, even if it is only a demonstration Christmas
tree lighting display.

...

I would see if I could find some dark green sheath CAT wire - like used on
Christmas tree lights. As to the component cost, I would try hitting up some
FAEs for chips - I am sure you could get a couple hundred CAN drivers & PIC
chips for 'demonstration purposes' especially if you are prepared to write
an app note of the experience (student task - part of the project!). You
might even get the same consideration for a roll of CAT cable with a special
coloured sheath - would the army use CAT5 with camouflage green sheath? With
the right colour I think you would find that even CAT 5 would get reasonably
invisible.

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Mini Me

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He wants three LEDs (or a 3-color LED) at each node, and estimates that
the cost of the extra wire(s) offsets the local intelligence (I
disagree!).

Wouter van Ooijen

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Riddle

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Maybe your wire is nicer, but as I said can get UTP for E 3.3/50 ft == 4
pairs. I think you should be able to get a similar price on your side of
the water.

Wouter van Ooijen

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Of course Vaisle, but the given premisse was that the hours were for
free. You can frown on that (and I think you are right), but is was
still a premisse.

Wouter van Ooijen

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Let me tell you, I'm *no* stranger to the idea of labour costs. Heck,
I'm always made fun of at my school for getting pcb's made rather than
etching them myself, or horrors, doing up a vector board. I'll do
anything to save on labour costs, why do you think all my projects use
18f parts supporting good C compilers rather than "cheaper" 12f parts?

But in this case the grant very explicitly doesn't include labour costs,
the situation doesn't include labour costs. This is the arts, labour is
free, even when it really shouldn't be. Not to mention that we are
conducting research, IE building systems so that *others* can reproduce
them, if we succeed this cheap simple system might very well be made 10x
over, each time by groups operating with volunteer labour and
practically no capital.

If I were building it, of course I'd be worried about labour costs, but
that's not the situation right now.

And put another way, if we spend $10 a node, or $1 a node, our labour
costs are going to be the same. Quite possibly the "more robust" feature
full design with an extra transciever chip and other crap will actually
have *more* labour involved due to the extra soldering. The only
difference with a one-wire system is my development time, and I'm on a
salary until the end of the summer, and I get paid a pittance.

BTw I'm not actually a teacher by any means, I'm a student at the
university too, I've just been hired on to the research group as a
consultant as I'm the only student at the university who has
elctronics/programming skills.

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Putty

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Both the teacher and the student are making the same mistake.
The labour price is bigger than materials used for the project.
Maybe at the 100'th project you'll say I have right.

Vasile

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