Hi. I am wondering. How long does one thermal paste/grease last for a Pentium III 600 Mhz CPU (Katami/Slot 1)? I noticed that a year ago I had to clean the CPU's old grease/paste and put a new supply. After a year, my computer started crashing when in stress (e.g., compiling and getting too hot; 106 degrees(F)).
I do a lot of compiling on this machine. My room can get very hot during summer times (85 degrees(F)). I didn't have this problem until a few days ago, and in the past few months, it has been very hot so it didn't just get hotter. Even during cooler hours (at night), my computer will still crash due to enornmous stress and heat it produces. I am wondering if thermal paste/grease is supposed to last years.
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posted on Aug 01, 2007
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I know that Intel Pentium 4 class CPUs have built-in protection, but I'm sure that that older Intel CPUs don't and require that any protection be external. I've had the CPU protection kick in only once, with a Pentium II or III Celeron whose heatsink popped up, but no obvious damage resulted. However the BIOS of the mobo defaulted to leaving the thermal protection inactive. I recently acquired an Athlon mobo that seems to have no alarm or protection features available in its BIOS, so I want to add a circuit to shut down the power if the CPU heatsink gets hot enough (I worry that Windows would lock up and prevent MBM5 from shutting down the system).
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posted on Aug 01, 2007
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While not arguing the previous replies there is a minor point being missed here: All too often thermal grease is applied too thickly and many of them when applied too thickly cook, go hard and become less conductive partly inherently and partly because the surfaces cease to make such good contact.
The key advice already given elsewhere but worth emphasising is - apply the mearest smidgeon of grease just enough to fill those microscopic holes but not enough to hold the heatsink away from the chip surface and there will almost certainly be no problem. Many of the pads that come already on with some heatsinks are a good guide - they start off quite thick but remove the heatsink later and you will see that almost all the pad has oozed out except a blush on the chip surface which is all that was needed to fill those microscopic holes. Unfortunately not all the greases on sale are such good "oozers" with the result that applied too enthusuastically they actually harden without oozing out enough and act as an insulating type of mortar!
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posted on Aug 01, 2007
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First understand why thermal compound works better than thermal pad and tapes. With every transition of media (CPU to pad to heatsink), then thermal resistance increases. The most conductive interface is CPU directly to heatsink. That is what thermal compound does. Most of the CPU connects directly to heatsink if thermal compound is properly applied. Thermal compound is applied so minimally so that even the microscopic holes will conduct some heat.
A perfectly good thermal interface is CPU direct to heatsink - without compound. Adding thermal compound to that combination makes the microscopic holes also heat conductors - and will reduce CPU temperature by less than 10 degrees. Look at the numbers. Thermal compound is only to also make microscopic holed thermally conductive AND to not get between a direct CPU to heatsink connection.
Thermal compound does not go bad in your CPUs lifetime. But too many humans want to 'fix' things. Sounds like you did some good fixing. It is common for humans to apply too much thermal compound - making CPU hotter than if no compound was applied. For some reason, humans think thermal compound is essential - and more is better.
Running a computer in an 85 degree F room is not hot. Your computer must work fine even in a 100 degree F room - without failure. In fact that is the preferred normal testing temperature - a task called burn-in testing. Any computer that does not work in 100 degree F room is defective AND will probably be failing in near future at 70 degrees.
Your computer is not doing anything more stressful. Computers run about as hard whether you run a little program or a monster one. Computer runs instructions at same pace no matter what program is running. Intel makes special programs that execute only special instructions to stress chips. You don't have it. These execute series of 'hotter' instructions that regular programs don't do when executing complex tasks. Your computer runs just as 'stressful' when doing everything else.
Also Intel CPUs don't crash due to heat. They have internal protection that simply slows the CPU down. Crashing would be from different reasons.
In short, you have no idea how stressful your software is. Compiling is a simple task as are most every other program. But you do know that the original thermal compound was removed uselessly. Some people foolishly want to clean everything.
Until manufacturer's diagnostics are executed in a 100 degree F room, then no reasons is known for hardware is crashing. Too much speculation and too few facts. I don't see any reports from system (event) logs nor voltage measurements using a 3.5 digit multimeter. Again, even basic information was not collected before speculating.
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Solution #6
posted on Aug 01, 2007
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Depends on the quantity and quality of the thermal paste. My point of view is that a thermal paste is not really necessary. Just plain metal to metal contact is best. I believe most thermal grease hardens with age and probably becomes non-conducting. Grease/paste by nature is a non-conductor especially when hardened. In thermodynamics of heat we know that even a thin layer of non-conductor between two blocks of conductors(metal) slows the conductivity through the blocks by a very large margin. My two cents...
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