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Intel Celeron Upgrade

I own a IBM ThinkPad G40 with a Intel Celeron, are all Intel Celeron's the same, I think they came out around 2000. I would like to get the highest thats out for my G40, I use my G40 for games such as Command & Conquer 3

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    Patrick Bridge Feb 01, 2009

    It supports 1GB RAM and it uses a Desktop Processor, Would a Intel Pentium 4, 2.50GHz or 3.0GHz work on it.

  • Patrick Bridge
    Patrick Bridge Feb 01, 2009

    I don't have it with me, but the max RAM is 1GB, and ThinkPad G41 is 2GB so mine is max out with the 1GB of RAM.



    But i'll look up the site you gave me and I think it said on the IBM.com that it supports up to 3.0GHz and they came with a Intel Celeron or a Intel Pentium 4.

  • gundog Feb 06, 2009

    my gigabyte ga-81865gvmk board running 2ghz intel cpu & dual channel slots will not state the full amount of 1g ddr 400 memory or 512m I have tried different combo's with no success, doyou recomend bios upgrade or matching brand sticks? although i have tried every stick individualy the board is rated at 4g memory

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I know how you feel, you want to improve your situation but not spend a lot of money, and squeeze some more out of what you already bought. You have a latop that works, no need to get rid of it. The problem is that CPUs on laptops are really not made to upgrade. The overwhelming amount of data out there tell us that it's actually just easier and sensible to buy a new one. I know that's not what you want to hear, but- 1) celeron chips are really not designed for gaming, although that doesnt mean you can play simple games on them 2) if your chip is a celeron, it means your laptop was not a high-end one that had the pentium chip plus all the other higher-end (faster) components that support it. That means that even if you bump up your celeron to one a bit faster, it will still have all the slow components around it. 3) the motherboard limits what you can do-- it will not let you upgrade to the fastest celeron out there, but will allow you to upgrade withing a narrow range of celerons. This is because as chips get faster, the companies change the way they attach to the motherboard, and newer chips dont attach to older montherboards. 4) the main determinant of gaming is your graphics card, then RAM, and these wont be affected by upgrading your CPU. 5) even if you were to replace your celeron, you'd have to pay a decent ammount for it, maybe 100 bucks, and I've seen new laptops sell for 399 to 499 entry level. For me, I'd rather scrape up the extra 300 bucks and just get a new laptop, which will have the new CPU (much faster than the fastest celeron), new graphics card, probably much more ram than your system can now support. Don't mean to rain on your parade! Good luck.

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    alright, im not giving up on you here-- i found this:

    http://www.easyasmypc.com/l6-thinkpad-g4...

    i dont know who these guys are, and you'd need your full model number, with 4 more digits. they seem to offer upgrade kits. maybe it wouldn't hurt to just call them and kick the tires for price and what the fastest chip supported would be?

    keep in mind its all about the motherboard, whatever it was spec'd for, that's the max cpu you can stick in there. here's youre motherboard

    http://www.getpartsonline.com/91p7382.ht...

    here's a review talking about your model series acceoting a 3.0 GHZ pentium...

    http://compreviews.about.com/cs/laptops/...

    Here's that processor at newegg

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...

    you want to make sure your motherboard supports socket 478, that's the key

    a motherboard that supports a pentium can hold a celeron, a mobo made for celeron may not support a faster pentium, it all depends on the socket you have.

    call the place above with the kids, find your full model number, ask them, based on your model what socket you have, ask them what your max CPU would be. Maybe it's the 3.0 above. See if their kit makes sense. I dont know it it's RAM+ CPU, or maybe CPU+CPU fan +thermal grease, etc.

    If you buy a pentium 3.0GHZ after finding out it will fit, you'll need a new CPU fan. It may come in the box with the CPU, it may not. You'll need some thermal paste, usually 10 bucks, to smear on the CPU to maximise thermal conductivity between CPU and CPU fan. Plus if you're going to upgrade the cpu, you may want to look at maxing out your RAM, it will really help you a lot....

    Hope this helps!

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