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Use of PCI-e x16 slot for non-video card


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WHY would you want to do that?

There is a PCI-Express x1 slot on the motherboard.
Black in color, and in-between the black PCI-Express x16 slot, and a white PCI slot.

Use the PCI-E x1 RAID adapter card in the PCI-E x1 slot, and a PCI-Express graphics card in the PCI-E x16 slot. Sheesh!

A PCI-Express slot is not an evolved PCI slot.
Completely different technologies.

PCI uses a shared Parallel bus architecture, while PCI-Express is based on Serial point-to-point.

So your idea of how to 'fix' your problem, is to use a PCI-E x1 card in a PCI-Express x16 slot, and a PCI graphics card in a PCI slot?

Completely backwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Motherboard_diagram.svg

PCI-Express x16 slot uses the same lanes from the Northbridge, as the OnBoard video?

UTTER NONSENSE!

The Northbridge chip handles the Faster capabilities of a computer.
Handles the Processor, Ram Memory, and HIGH-SPEED Graphics.

HIGH-SPEED graphics is the Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP) technology, and the PCI-Express technology.

The Southbridge chip handles the Slower capabilities of a computer.

The PCI bus is one of those slower capabilities handled by the Southbridge chip.

The PCI bus is also a shared bus. This slows data down.
The AGP bus, and PCI-Express bus are Not shared. They also have a direct link to the Northbridge chip.

The PCI Bus has to go through the Southbridge chip, which has to go through the Internal Bus, THEN to the Northbridge chip.

OnBoard video, or Integrated Graphics, uses the PCI bus.
When you inserted the PCI-E x1 RAID card in the PCI-Express x16 slot, and a PCI graphics card in the PCI slot, BIOS just assigned another IRQ for the PCI-Express x16 slot.
(Interrupt Request)

No fancy technology going on there.

Backwards technology going on with a PCI-Express x1 card in a PCI-Express x16 slot, though.

I do not concur, and do not think that is a good solution, Kevin.

Regards,
joecoolvette

Aug 24, 2012 | Gateway Foxconn C51GU01 Motherboard

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How can I install a PCIe video card to the riser on an IBM Thinkcentre A-52 computer?


John,

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/guides-and-manuals/default.page?

In the list under the bold red Guides and Manuals subheading,
click on Hardware maintenance manuals.

Click on the blue -> [+] Click for files

Now click on the blue -> Hardware Maintenance Manual
(Above - 41d4550.pdf / 8.53MB )

This is a PDF file. May take up to 30 seconds, before the first page comes up.

At the top of the PDF file is the PDF file page number box. It is to the right of the Down Arrow.
If you know the page you want you can go to it page, by page, using the Down Arrow, or you can do this;

1) Put your mouse cursor in the PDF file page number box.
Left-click once.
(Anything in page number box is now highlighted in Blue)

2) Type the page number.
3) Press the Enter key.

Also at the top is the Zoom In icon, ( + ), and the Zoom Out icon,
( - ).
Clicking on the Zoom In icon increases the view size.
Clicking on the Zoom Out icon decreases the view size.

Go to Page 263.

The Riser Card, or 'Daughter Card', is supposed to have
ONE -> PCI-Express x16 slot.
(Riser card is pointed out by the number 12 )

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-60400

Scroll the page down. Look under the bold subheading - Slots

"Slot 1: full length, x16 (16 Lane) PCI Express (graphics only)"

However it also states,

"Slot 2: half-length, x1 (1 Lane) PCI Express
Slot 3: half-length, PCI
Slot 4: half-length, PCI"

Hmmmm, okay, let's look at the 'Daughter Card',

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Thinkcentre-S51-A52-PCI-PCI-e-x1-Riser-Card-/300562298930

Scroll the page down to the bottom to the photo.

The long white expansion slot on top is a PCI slot,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCI_Slots_Digon3.JPG

The black 'slot' underneath, is a combo of PCI-Express type expansion slots.

Looking at the contact pins;
A PCI-Express x1 expansion card, would fit in the slot all the way to the right, in the photo.

See the details printed in-between the white PCI slot, and the black slot underneath?

"PCIe x1 - ADD2 - R SLOT"

PCI Express x1 card - Add to the Right Slot

Means to me the entire slot, is used for a PCI-Express x16 graphics card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCIExpress.jpg

The top Yellow slot is an example of a PCI-Express x4 slot.
Next slot down is an example of a PCI-Express x16 slot.
Next slot down is a PCI-Express x1 slot.
Next slot down is a PCI-Express x16 slot.
The last example is a PCI slot.

[Note* Color does not matter of the slots ]

From my perspective of looking at the photo for the Riser Card, I see the PCI-Express x16 slot, (Black), as being too wide in the middle.

Do not see that the gold plated contact pins of the PCI-Express graphics card, will make good contact with the contact pins, in that Black slot.

Haven't worked on a 'Pizza-Box' style of desktop computer in YEARS, so I am kinda' out of the loop.

IF, a PCI-Express graphics card does indeed make good contact, I suggest using a Low Profile one.

Just one example,

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1380614&CatId=3669

Post back in a Comment, John.

Regards,
joecoolvette

Aug 08, 2012 | Computers & Internet

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Hi Is there a PCI Express slot on the motherboard MSI K9VGM-V I see 2 PCI slots and another white slot above is this for a PCI Video card THANKS


Hi,
On your MSI K9VGM-V, you do have a PCI-Express x16 slot, which is used for most video cards now days. You can see the full slot diagram on the picture below.
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The one for the video card is labeled: PCI Express x16 Slot
Hope this helps. If it does, please accept and rate the solution! Contact me with any more questions you may have. Thanks for using FixYa!

May 24, 2011 | MSI K9VGM-V Motherboard

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My packard bell imedia 3064 computer uses an nec ms-6786 board. does this support AGP or PCI Express for graphics card?


Open the case, and inspect the motherboard.

You should see a few PCI slots (usually WHITE-coloured)
that are identical in shape and location.

You might see one more slot that is offset from the location of the PCI slots, but about the same length of slot.
This will either be an AGP slot, or a PCI-Express slot.

Look at the silk-screened labels near the slot;
it should identify the slot as AGP or PCI-Express.

Aug 25, 2010 | NEC Computers & Internet

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HP Pavillion m7755uk How can I upgrade the Graphic Board to a more powerful one for video editing and what PCI slot has it got is it a PCI or PCI-E connection on the motherboard


Hello,

Your Pavillion has 3 PCI slots and 1 PCI-E slot. I would recommend using the PCI-E slot as it is the fastest. Also, for editing I would go with a 1GB PCI-E card as this will give you 1GB of DEDICATED video memory. Once you have the card, it is as simple as putting the card in the PCI-E slot (The shorter slot of the four you will see) and powering the PC on.

Good Luck
C2Solutions

Feb 23, 2010 | Computers & Internet

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Are the connections on my P4B533 PCI or PCI express & should I install a new viedo card in theagp slot or?


Sorry, you only have 6 PCI slots and one AGP slot. None of the slots are PCI Express. For some general dimensions of PCI Express slots, look at the this picture.

Dec 31, 2009 | ASUS P4B533 Motherboard

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What type and location are the board slots om the EP-8VTAI motherboard. which is PCIe, etc.


Any "modern" motherboard will have several "PCI" slots -- usually "white" in colour, and identically shaped.

The motherboard may optionally have one "AGP" slot (for an Advanced Graphics Port video-card), or one, or more, "PCI-E" slots.

The AGP slot will start FURTHER away from the "back" of the computer than the PCI slots.

The AGP and PCI-E slots will be different in shape than the PCI slots, and not lined-up with the PCI slots.

Dec 28, 2009 | EPoX EP-8VTAI Motherboard

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Resorce error pci in slot 03


It appears there is a problem or faulty slot 3 PCI connector. Move the PCI card from slot 3 to a different slot. If this fault follows to the other PCI slot then the PCI card could be faulty.

Aug 07, 2009 | Acer Aspire 5100 Notebook

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Reply to my motherboard


It looks like your trying to install a PCI Graphics Adapter. If that is the case, I would try the PCI Graphics Adapter any Slot other than Slot 1 or Slot 2. That is unless, your PCI Graphics Adapter Card is a PCI Express, then that must be installed in Slot 1, if the Board supports it. If the PCI Graphics Adapter is a PCI-I Card then it must be installed in Slot 2.

Check AMD's site, they have or already implemented standards on their support chips. The standard, as I understand it, is Slot 1 - PCI Express, Slot 2 - PCI-I, if you're using those Slot for PCI Graphics Adapter.

It should be possible to use those Slots (1 & 2) for any PCI Cards that is not a PCI Graphics Adapter, be careful, I have not checked that out. Those do not handshake as Video Adapter, so the PCI card should not be thrown or overdriven, the PCI-Express and PCI-I, to my knowledge is only for Grahpics Adapters, should that be different, then Slot 1 for only PCI Express Cards and Slot 2 for only PCI-I Cards.

Me, for now, Slot 1 for Express, Slot 2 for PCI-I, and the rest of the Slot for all else. If your PCI Graphics Adapter is not an Express or PCI-I, install in any Slot other than Slot 1 or Slot 2.

Dec 14, 2007 | EliteGroup (ECS 915PL-A2) Motherboard

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