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How to install a flapper arm assemblt to a one piece Eljer toilet

I aa trying to install a flapper arm assembly model # 495-5515-00 for a one-piece Eljer toilet and I am having a hard time installing it. First of all, there is a nut that screws onto the bottom of the assembly counter clockwise and then there is black rigid washer that I believe goes through the opening at the bottom of the tank and is sealed by the white nut. I am having a hard time bending the washer to get it through the opening at the botom of the tank. Firstly, am I doing this right and if I am how do you scrunch the washer up enough to get it through the opening?

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  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    I have tried to just insert the entire assembly in the hole at the bottom of the tank without securing it and it comes out when you flush.. I am working with four parts. A bucket that the flush valve assembly with the flapper fits into. A thick rubber washer which has a lid and appears to be the part that seals at the bottom of the toilet and a thick white nut that fits through the hole at the bottom of the toilet which tightens counterclockwise I have taken these parts off of the old assembly so I know they belong with the new assembly. I have tried inserting images of all four pieces but they exceed the 150kb requirement so I can't upload them. I wish I could show the four pieces that I am working with. I need to know how to install the flapper arm assembly so as to form a perfect seal whereby water does not seep through the toilet prematurely.

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    This is a one piece toilet from Eljer. Most directions cater to two piece toilets which can be taken apart and repaired.Generic diagrams do not address my specific problem. Has anyone ever encountered this situation?

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    Thanks for your help Leo but that diagram only addressed TWO piece toilets mine is a one piece

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    Guru

    There is no place for Phillips screws. When I took off the old assembly I had to turn the whole assembly around when it finally loosened. The thick black washer of the old flapper assembly tore. I had to special order the new assembly and unfortunately it came with no installation instructions and Plumbingsupply.com freferred me to Eljer whi in turn never returned my call.

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    Ginko

    Can you describe what an OEM valve is? I tried looking it up on line and it seems to pertain to cars.

    Thanks

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    neo

    Plumbing supply.com is where I bought the flapper arm assembly from and the diagram you sent me is exactly what I bought. The only problem is that there are no specific instructions on how to seat and seal that entire assembly to the bottom of the tank. Can you help?

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    Peyton

    That is the problem I can't get the rigid washer through the whole. Do I need to push the washer though the hole. Is that all there is to it? and how does it tighten? the locking white nut that fits through the hole turns counterclockwise to tighten. Should this be turned to tighten while in the hole or should the assembly be pushed into place already tightened?

    Thanks

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    Is there a picture of the locknut? That is the problem I do not know how to secure the assembly to the tank.

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    need some more guidance more specific one piec toilets

  • homelandfina Feb 28, 2009

    need more help

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Are you trying to install the flush valve or the flapper vavle?
What is the name of the model? Titan?
Flapper valves usually just have two holes that fit over nubs at the bottom of the fill pipe.
I would thinkt he washer sits in the bottom of the tank with the nut against it.

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  • gerry bissi Mar 01, 2009

    OEM means original equipment manufacture. The part is made by the same supplier that the manufactuer used to build the toilet.

    A lot of shops sell OEM Equivalant parts whixh can be made by anyone.

  • gerry bissi Mar 01, 2009

    It looks to me like the washer goes in from the bottom. Then the nut goes on. Don't overtighten or it will crack the plastci nut.



  • boostergold Sep 16, 2010

    or it will crack the porcelain. i ruined my
    Clawfoot Tub Shower Kit when i was installing it because i over tightened.

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Hi wel com to fixya the washer goes between tank and bowl please lift off tank and put washer on then put back. plaese rate me thank you

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    albert getty Feb 28, 2009

    take out part that plug sits in place washer around then put back screw in bolt attach plug set chain fill test

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    albert getty Feb 28, 2009

    the wacher goes around part then part is installed

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Click the link below to see the instalation procedure with pictures to guide you step by step: http://www.ehow.com/how_4728165_install-eljer-toilet.html
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Http://www.wolverinebrass.com/Wolverine%20Brass/PDF/Catalog/Ballcock%20&%20Tank.pdf
click this link for both 1 piece two piece installastion step by step.
 Remove the locknut that holds the valve to the tank. Push down gently on the valve as you unscrew the nut. Pull out the old valve. Remove the cap, press down to compress the washer and screw on the locknut. Connect the supply line and flush the valve as shown in Photo 2. Reset the cap and check for leaks.
also 1 more link for mode help  http://www.rd.com/17646/article17646.html

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Have you tried soaking the seal in warm water making it pliable to see if it would go thru the hole? I looked at a diagram and i assume your not able to put the seal in from the bottom. remember when you put it back togethern the cone portion of the seal will point down towards the retaining nut. thanks Peyton

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Hi there, follow the link below... i think the link information may help you.
http://www.plumbingsupply.com/eljertoiletparts-berkeley.html
Good Luck!!!

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To fit the valve you have to push the the pvc pipe with the black gasket into the tank hole.
Ensure that you have purchased an oem valve.
This is probably not an oem valve and will not fit, go back to seller and get an oem one.

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And you can't put the washer thru the top of the tank then put the assembly down thru that and secure it ?

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    Roberta Smith Feb 28, 2009

    and if you have no choice but to put the washer in from the bottom and it is plastic... heat it up in really hot water first to make it more flexible.

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Hi, You don't have to scrunch anything. Look down in the valve seat with the flapper off and you will see two philips screws that hold in the valve assembly that allow you to remove the assembly. Then you will be able to see how the plastic nut and washer fit. Good Luck, this should Fixya!

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Http://www.eljer.com/assets/documents/eljer/install/Install_2567.pdf

click the above link .in that its mentioned everything from removing the nuts screws and where they r exactly located in the unit.how to install.how to place it.also the useful diagrams are given in it with brief description.

please do rate the session accordingly.thanks.

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Hi there,

here's the Example1 & EXAMPLE2 on your concern

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Hi you are over thinking this, the water seals itself in when the flapper closes, you do not need to bend the washer and may not even need to use it depending on the toilet. Extra parts are usually included in these kits as they are for multiple toilets. Take a picture and post it here of the part you are having trouble with and the area you are trying to put it and I can verify if you should need it there and are doing it right.

thanks

Benjamin


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    Benjamin Patri Feb 28, 2009

    you can descale the images in Paint to post them, just shrink them down until they are under the size limit.

    Ok, it sounds like you need to use sand paper or steel wool to rough up the smooth surface that the washer sits on and then get some sealant so it holds itself down. Also make
    sure the surface is clean and very dry before applying the sealant.

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    Benjamin Patri Feb 28, 2009

    please just follow the above comment to seal the seal down

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Hi,
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