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Trying to install a Woods 59018 with older copper wiring - My house only has one black wire (not the two black wires it calls for).

Trying to install a 59018 with older copper wiring. My house has a solid copper (neutral) that I've attached to the Woods' green. My house has a black copper wire painted white that I've attached to the Woods' white wire. Here's the problem. I only have one black house copper wire. The Woods unit calls for two black wires. I tried to attach it to the red and black Woods wires. The Woods unit powers up. I can hit the on/off button and it turns red and you can feel it switching. However, my lights (two canister CFLs) don't power on or off. Do I need to scrap the project or is there a simple solution (beyond calling in an electrician)? Thanks!

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  • Socal Ken Dec 30, 2012

    So I played around with the suggestions below. I took the Woods' green and white wires, wound them together and attached them to the house bare copper. Then I took the Woods red wire and attached it to the house white wire. The Black Woods wire and attached it to the House Black. Success! But the question is, Is this safe?

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1) It is safe, but not code.
The timer uses such a tiny amount of power that the installation is safe, and the line is still protected by circuit breaker.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-timers.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/Troubleshoot-household-electricity.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/See-inside-main-breaker-box.html

2) In the main breaker box, the neutral wires and ground wires are bonded together and both connect to ground wire leading out to pole and down into the ground.

3) By code a ground wire cannot be used as a neutral, even though both are connected together in the main box.
This is so electrician can work on ground wires while ASSUMING they do not complete a circuit.
NO ELECTRICIAN should assume that, since the purpose of ground wires is to ground stray current.

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  • Socal Ken Dec 30, 2012

    Thanks Gene! We were worried we had a fire hazard brewing. Definitely feel better about it now.

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SOURCE: Help with Woods 59018/59028 7 day digital timer

The usual connection for this type timer is the house black power to the timer black, the house white power to the timer white and the , the light black wire to the red timer wire.
If you only have two wires, one black and one white, at the switch location, then you cannot use this style timer , as it needs a neutral. You should return this timer and get one that does not require a neutral connection.

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SOURCE: Can't get my Woods Model 59018 digital timer to work

I have same problem and called the manufacturer. They told me they are supposed to help and that these need to be installed by an electrician.

Glad I bought mine at a Menard's which is targeted to the general market.

I don't want to support a company that says things like that to their customers so I am bringing mine back.

Posted on Oct 13, 2009

SOURCE: I'm trying to install this

Sure George.

These in-wall timers have extra wire to operate the electronics located inside timer.
You said your old switch has 3 wires.
The new timer can only replace on-off switch that has 2 brass screws and a green screw.
If old switch has 2 brass screws and a dark screw, that is a 3-way switch.
Typically a 3-way switch is found at both ends of hallway.
The Woods 95008 countdown timer is not made to replace 3-way:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Woods-timers-and-manuals.html#59000

Here's what to do:
1) Switch has 2 wires (plus bare ground wire). Take switch wires and connect them to timer-black-wire and timer-red-wire. Choose either one for now.
2) In back of electric box are white wires twisted together and covered with wire nut. Connect timer-white to these wires. This wire will power timer electronics.
3) If electric box does not have white wires described above, then connect timer-white to bare ground, along with timer-green wire.
4) Turn on electricity, and push override button located below the OFF button. If lights come on, timer is wired correctly. If lights do not come on, then reverse timer-red and timer-black wires.

Add a comment if your need more assistance.

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1) Woods 59000 series in-wall countdown timer has extra wire to run electronic clock circuit inside timer, just like plugging in ordinary alarm clock.

2) Open following link for wiring instructions, and to download online manual:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Woods-timers-and-manuals.html#59000

3) Instructions:
How to wire 59000 and 59017 in-wall timers
1) Timer-green-wire connects to bare ground wire.
2) Switch has 2 wires. Take switch wires and connect to timer-black-wire and timer-red-wire. Choose either one for now.
3) In back of electric box are white wires twisted together and covered with wire nut. Connect timer-white to these wires.
4) If electric box does not have white wires described above, then connect timer-white to bare ground along with green wire.
5) Turn on electricity, and push ON-OFF button. If lights come on, timer is wired correctly. If lights do not come on, then reverse timer-red and timer-black wires.

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Posted on Feb 21, 2011

SOURCE: I just installed a Wood 59018 timer, and when i

Timer is wired wrong and timer white and timer red wires are probably connected together.
Timer white wire has to be connected to white neutral wires that are twisted together and shoved to back of box. This will power the clock mechanism inside timer.
If box does not have white neutrals, then connect timer white wire to bare ground wire along with timer green wire.
Timer black wire connects to Hot wire.
Timer red wire connects to Load wire.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Woods-timers-and-manuals.html#59028

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3) In back of electric box are white wires twisted together and covered with wire nut. Connect timer-white to these wires.
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See Woods timers and manuals:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Woods-timers-and-manuals.html

Manual for 59208 timer:
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Green goes to bare ground wire.
White goes to Neutral white wire (neutral is usually 2 or 3 white wires twisted together and shoved to back of box)
Black must connect to Hot from circuit breaker
Red must connect to Load (light, fan, motor etc)

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Disconnect timer and set aside.
Mark each wire
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I have same problem and called the manufacturer. They told me they are supposed to help and that these need to be installed by an electrician.

Glad I bought mine at a Menard's which is targeted to the general market.

I don't want to support a company that says things like that to their customers so I am bringing mine back.

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