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Solar/electic source furnace wiring

I have a furnace to set up that uses solar hot water as the main source and electric (240) for backup. I need to figure out how to switch between the two sources if the water isn't hot enough. Then I have to have the thermostat turn the correct souce on- 120vac pump for the solar and 240vac for the electric. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Reed B. Turney

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  • Reed Turney Jan 19, 2009

    Friends, I believe that the answer provided by 'artiaco07' pertains to solar electric, not solar hot water. The beginning of the answer talks about 'where the solar array cables enter the house' . There are no cables, only pipes. Thanks. Reed Turney

  • Reed Turney Jan 19, 2009

    Benimur, Sounds the closest to what I am looking for. I'm interested on how the relay will switch between 120 and 240. A schematic would be great. Thank you for your time. Reed B. Turney

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Hi and welcome to FixYa,

Initially, a basic circuitry that includes a thermal probe (or even a thermostat), a logic circuitry (XOR), a driver, a single relay to switch either the 120VC pump or the 240 heater and of course am power supply.

Pls post back if the above idea merits your consideration and that a schematic could be provided. Good luck and Thank you for using FixYa.

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    Louie Role Jan 19, 2009

    Hi again,

    Appreciate the rating. Pls find below relay wiring diagram.

    Cheers.


  • Louie  Role
    Louie Role Jan 19, 2009

    Oopps sorry error on the wiring of the heater to relay contacts. Below is corrected diagram.



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A dc disconnect switch should be located where the cables from the solar arrays enter the house. you would have to turn that off.. then you would look for another disconnect whether it be in the circuit panel or near the main unit and turn it on..

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You replaced elements and thermostats but heater still won't work.
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http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-test-water-heater-element.html
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If elements did not burn out, then that leaves 1 main suspect: the electricity.

1) Push in ECO red reset button on upper thermostat. If ECO is tripped out, then heater will not work.

2) Click circuit breaker all the way one direction and then back the other direction to make sure breaker is latched.

3) If tank has 2 elements, then it is 240volt.
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http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-EH40-hot-water-heater-timer.html#120-240

Buy cheap multimeter from Home Center and set dial to 240-250-277VAC
Tape tester leads to woods sticks to keep hands away from power.
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4) Open connection point where wire connects to heater.
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Turn off all breakers except water heater breaker and main breaker. (and breaker to light fixture where box is located)
Do not hold or touch or lean against anything metal.
Stand on dry boards and wear dry clothes.
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Remove box cover.
240Volt breaker has 2 wires connected with screws.
Test across both screws for 240Volt.
See if wires are loose.
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6) If you are getting 240 to water heater, then wire inside tank could be loose.
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