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Which processor is better? Pentium4 1.8GHZ or Celeron 2.8GHZ?

Which processor is more powerful and faster? Intel Pentium 4 1.8Ghz or Celeron 2.8Ghz? I am wondering about purchasing one of two CPU's both with windows XP pro, so i need one of the 2 which would be fit to run XP pro.

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Pentium 4 Hands Down. Have had them Both and Still have the 4. Celeron is WAY slow.

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Dc5100 processor upgrade


NO!

Two Netburst based Processor cores on the SAME chipset?

Get outta' here!

When did they come up with that?





OH, I'M JUS KIDDIN'!

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12145_na/12145_na.HTML

The HP Compaq dc5100 Desktop PC uses an Intel 915GV motherboard chipset.

Since we know that the Northbridge chip, of the motherboard chipset; handles the Faster capabilities of a computer;
i.e., Processor, Ram Memory, and HIGH-speed graphics; let's look at the Intel 915GV chipset,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intel_chipsets#Pentium_4.2FPentium_D.2FPentium_EE_chipsets

No sir/ma'am.
The Intel 915GV motherboard chipset only handles Single Core processors;
Intel Pentium 4,
and,
Intel Celeron,
and,
Intel Celeron D.
(With a 533MegaHertz Front Side Bus, or an 800MHz FSB)

The Celeron D is NOT a dual core processor,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#Prescott-256

"The D suffix actually has no official designation, and does not indicate that these models are dual-core. It is used simply to distinguish this line of Celeron from the previous, lower performing Northwood and Willamette series, and also from the mobile series, the Celeron M (which also uses 3xx model numbers) Unlike the Pentium D, the Celeron D is Not a dual core processor."

Yeah, I know. I'm just a 'Ray of Sunshine'.

You know you can pick up a motherboard pretty cheap nowadays, that WILL support the lowly Pentium D, for not much money.

Problem is you will need to replace Ram Memory also.

By the time you get a motherboard chipset that supports dual core Processors (CPU), you are going to be using DDR2 Sdram ram memory, instead of the DDR Sdram ram memory you are using now.

OK, Motherboard, CPU, and Ram Memory.

Oh, the Power Supply. Won't do either.
240 Watt unit, or 300 Watt unit?

Sure.............OK.

Back in the day those Power Supply's were made, Power Supply manufacturer's were 'fudging' the actual maximum rated Wattage.

True Wattage was more like 60 to 70 percent of what was stated.
Why?
SOLD more Power Supply's.

240 Watts?
Simply divide by 10. = 24.
For 60 percent, take 60 times 24. = 144 Watts
70 percent? 168 Watts.

300 Watts?
60 percent is 180 Watts.
70 percent is 210 Watts.

I wouldn't try to run a Barbie doll with that low a Wattage, of Power Supply. (Barbie doll? What?)

Need at least a decent 350 Watt power supply, from today's manufacturers.
80 percent constant duty cycle, for most good units; or higher.

So...............
Max out the Intel Pentium 4 CPU.

4GB's of 533MHz DDR Sdram ram memory.
(PC4200, or PC4300. Depends on the manufacturer as to how they name it)

By the time you spend that much money, you may as well buy another Motherboard, Processor, Ram Memory, and Power Supply.

Yes, may as well buy a better computer.

I know. Quit trying to cheer you up.

Around here we have Craigslist, and Ebay, for two places.
Could pick up a better computer, for around the same money, as you would pay for all the upgrade parts above.

Which is better? Upgrade the Processor, or upgrade the Ram Memory/
For the better 'Bang for the Buck', upgrade the Ram Memory.

The CPU (Processor) has a built-in cache.
L1 cache, and L2 cache. (Newer CPU's have an L3 cache)

The Cache is a small memory area for the CPU.
It is the FIRST memory area the Processor (CPU) reads.
This is because it operates at the same frequency rate, as the CPU does.
(Frequency rate = 'Speed'. Operates at the same 'Speed')

Next inline is the Ram Memory.
Ram Memory -> typically, operates at half of the Processor's Front Side Bus. (FSB)

This is why upgrading Ram Memory is a good idea.

It isn't so much of getting Ram Memory, that operates at a higher frequency rate ('Speed'), as it is to have MORE ram memory.

Example;
PC3200 compared to PC4200.
4GB's of PC3200 is better than 2GB's of PC4200.

(DDR Sdram at 400MHz = PC3200)

Moving on............

Motherboard chipset:

Chip and Chipset are slang terms for I.C.
Integrated Circuit,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit

The motherboard chipset for your computer, consists of a Northbridge chip, and a Southbridge chip.

{Motherboards that support the Intel Core i technology, (Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, etc), do NOT use this motherboard chipset technology. Neither do some of the AMD CPU's }

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Motherboard_diagram.svg

As stated previously, the Northbridge chip handles the Faster capabilities of a computer;
Processor (CPU), Ram Memory, and HIGH-speed graphics.

The AGP technology, and the PCI Express technology; ARE high-speed graphics.

Using a graphics card in a PCI slot, or using Integrated Graphics; is NOT high-speed graphics.

The slower capabilities of a computer are handled by the Southbridge chip.
1) PCI Bus / Integrated Graphics.

(Another term for Integrated Graphics, is OnBoard Graphics. A term that seems to have gotten lost.
It explains better; ON the motherBOARD )

2) IDE Bus
3) SATA Bus
4) USB Bus
5) Ethernet
6) Audio (Sound)

Point?
Look to see what the Northbridge chip is, as I have shown you; and you'll get a good idea of what Processor (CPU) support is.

For additional questions please post in a Comment.

Regards,
joecoolvette

(I get tired of looking on websites, that just say NO, and do not explain why )

Mar 06, 2013 | HP Compaq dc5100 PC Desktop

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Installing new cpu on a emachine


According to the specs I have Serena, the eMachines eTower 633i Desktop PC, uses a TriGem Cognac motherboard.

[TriGem is the manufacturer, Cognac is the model.
Note it is Not the TriGem Cognac+ ]

http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/motherboards_d/Trigem/Cognac/

Specifications. (You can click on the photo to enlarge)

PDF motherboard manual,

http://www.elhvb.com/mboards/TriGem/manuals/index.html

Click on - Cognac - in the left side of the list.

Going back to the Motherboards.org page;
(Nothing like upside down photo information, and the motherboard is turned 90 degrees to the Right, to how it actually sits in your computer case )

The processor socket is a Socket 370,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_370

Used for Intel Pentium III processors, and intel 'Celey' processors.

(Excuse me......Celeron.
An Intel Pentium III processor has TWICE the L2 cache, that a comparable Intel Celeron has.
The cache for a Processor is a small memory area for the Processor.

It is the First memory the Processor accesses.
The Ram Memory is second, and the Harddrive is third.
More cache for a Processor makes it more faster )

The motherboard chipset is an Intel 810.

The Northbridge chip of the motherboard chipset, is an Intel 82810.
The Southbridge chip is an Intel 82801AA, or an Intel 82801AB.
(Intel ICH, or Intel ICH0 )

Looking at the chart, and reading across, you can see what the Intel 810 motherboard chipset supports;

1) Processors: Intel Celeron, or Intel Pentium II, or Intel Pentium III.

2) Processor Front Side Bus: (FSB) 66MegaHertz, or 100MHz.

3) SDR Sdram ram memory at 100Megahertz.

[Single Data Rate Sdram is often just referred to as Sdram.

Erroneous.
Double Data Rate Sdram is also Sdram (DDR Sdram)
Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory
So is DDR2 Sdram, and DDR3 Sdram ]

Also referred to as PC100.

So when looking for a CPU you look for;

1) Fits in a Socket 370 processor socket.
Yep. The best is going to be an Intel Pentium III.

2) Has a FSB of 100MHz.

Hmmm,............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_III_microprocessors#.22Coppermine.22_.28180_nm.29

Scroll down.

Pentium III 1100.

Maximum frequency rate ('Speed') is 1.1GHz (1100MHz)
Front Side Bus = 100MHz
Uses a Socket 370 processor socket.
Part Number = RB80526PY005256
sSpec Number = SL5QW

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-III/TYPE-Pentium%20III%20%28Coppermine%29.html

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-III/Intel-Pentium%20III%201100%20-%20RB80526PY005256%20%28BX80526F1100256%29.html

In the top header -
Specifications / Pictures (1) / CPU ID (1) / Comments (1),
click on Pictures (1)

You can click on the photo to enlarge.
256MegaByte of L2 cache. (256MB)

A comparable Celeron would have 128MB of L2 cache.

http://www.recycledgoods.com/products/Intel-SL5QW-PIII-Processor-1100-256-100-1.75V.html

http://www.impactcomputers.com/sl5qw.html

[ Don't forget to follow Anti-Static Precautions.
Clean the bottom of the Heatsink THOROUGHLY, and the top of the Processor if it needs it. (I always do anyway)

PROPERLY apply fresh, new Thermal Paste.

For additional questions please post in a Comment.

Regards,
joecoolvette

Oct 26, 2012 | E-Machines etower 633is PC Desktop

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What type of dual core processor can I use for my dc7600?


The motherboard for the dc7600 has an Intel LGA775 processor socket. However, not all LGA775 processors are compatible with the motherboard. For the small form factor, the following CPUs are supported: Intel Celeron D Processors:
Intel Celeron D 331 Processor (2.66-GHz, 256K L2 cache, 533-MHz FSB) , Intel Celeron D 336 Processor (2.80-GHz, 256K L2 cache, 533-MHz FSB) , Intel Celeron D 346 Processor (3.06-GHz, 256K L2 cache, 533-MHz FSB)
Intel Pentium 4 Processors with HT Technology:
Intel Pentium 4 521 Processor (2.8-GHz, 1-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB) , Intel Pentium 4 524 Processor (3.06-GHz, 1-MB L2 cache, 533-MHz FSB) , Intel Pentium 4 541 Processor (3.2-GHz, 1-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 620 Processor (2.8-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 630 Processor (3.0-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 631 Processor (3.0-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 640 Processor (3.2-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 641 Processor (3.2-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 650 Processor (3.4-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 651 Processor (3.4-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium 4 661 Processor (3.6-GHz, 2-MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB) or
Intel Pentium D Dual Core Processors:
Intel Pentium D 805 Dual Core Processor (2.66-GHz, 2x1MB L2 cache, 533-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 820 Dual Core Processor (2.8-GHz, 2x1MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 915 Dual Core Processor (2.8-GHz, 2x2MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 925 Dual Core Processor (3.0-GHz, 2x2MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 930 Dual Core Processor (3.0-GHz, 2x2MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 940 Dual Core Processor (3.2-GHz, 2x2MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 945 Dual Core Processor (3.4-GHz, 2x2MB L2 cache, 800-MHz FSB), Intel Pentium D 950 Dual Core Processor (3.4-GHz, 2x2MB L2 cache, 800 MHz FSB)

Unfortunately, these are old processors and I don't see any available new. Newegg.com lists a couple available as refurbished. You may be better off getting a new computer with either a Intel I3 or current AMD processor.

I wish that I had better news for you.

Cindy Wells
(do not attempt to use a CPU that your motherboard doesn't support. It probably won't boot.)

Mar 30, 2012 | HP Compaq dc7600 Small Form Factor PC...

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I have Intel Celeron-M 585 2.0-GHz processor in a HP G61-300 and I need something better/faster can you help me?


There are plenty of core 2 duo processors that will work with that board but to minimize the heat issue I wouldn't go any higher than a Pentium Duel Core T4500. You can pick one up off of Ebay for under $40US.

Mar 29, 2012 | Intel Celeron M 585 216GHz Mobile...

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I need emachine etower 600is intel processor


The eMachines eTower 600is uses an Intel Celeron III processor that operates at a maximum frequency rate of 600MegaHertz. (600MHz)

http://www.emachines.com/support/product_support.html?cat=Desktops&subcat=eTower%20Series&model=eTower_600is

The Intel Celeron 600 uses a Socket 370 processor socket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors#.22Coppermine-128.22_.28180_nm.29

There is a locking arm on the side of the Socket 370 processor socket, that is unlocked by easing the arm over to one side to clear a lock tab, then the arm is lifted up to remove the processor.

Example of a Socket 370 processor socket,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_370

The eMachines eTower 600is uses an Intel 810 chipset, for the motherboard chipset.
[Chip and Chipset are slang terms used for Integrated Circuit, or IC]

The Intel 810 chipset, supports processors with a 66MegaHertz Front Side Bus. (66MHz FSB), or 100MHz FSB.

In an additional link, I will give a recommendation of where to buy an Intel Celeron 600, that uses a 66MHz FSB.
I'm not advertising for this place, it's just a place I have used, and have had good results.

Also information on the Intel 810 chipset.

You could also use an Intel Celeron 700MHz processor, but better still you could use an Intel Pentium III 933MHz processor.

Pentium's typically have Two times, the L2 cache that a comparable Celeron has.The more L2 cache a processor has, the faster it's going to process information.

I also know it will work because out in my shop I have an eMachines T1090, that has an Intel 810 chipset, uses a Socket 370 processor socket, and has an Intel Pentium III 933MHz processor in it.
(Made in 2001, and still works good to this day)

The Intel Pentium III 933MHz processor uses a 100MHz FSB.
The Intel 810 chipset supports processors that have either a 66MHz FSB, or a 100MHz FSB.

If you are not familiar with computer hardware technology, then I have just thrown a whole lot of information at you that is unfamiliar.

Should you like me to break down the information, I would be glad to. Just state so in a Comment.

Mar 22, 2010 | E-Machines etower 600is PC Desktop

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Is it possible to upgrade to a faster processor on a hpn pavallion dv1000


here is a list of processors supported on that machine

Intel Pentium M 745 (1.8-GHz) with 400-MHz front
side bus (FSB)

Intel Pentium M 735 (1.7-GHz) with 400-MHz FSB

Intel Pentium M 725 (1.6-GHz) with 400-MHz FSB

Intel Pentium M 710 TJ85 (1.4-GHz) with 400-MHz FSB;
operates at a lower temperature than other processors

Intel Celeron M 340 (1.5-GHz) with 400-MHz FSB

Intel Celeron M 330 (1.4-GHz) with 400-MHz FSB

Mar 15, 2010 | HP Pavilion dv1000 Notebook

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I have a acer aspire m1610 intel celeron 430, wat processer can i replace it with?


Intel® Core™2 Duo processor (with up to 800 MHz FSB)
Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core processor
Intel® Pentium® D processor
Intel® Pentium® 4 processor
Intel® Celeron® D processor
Intel® Celeron® processor
RICHARDM69

Aug 31, 2009 | Computers & Internet

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I want to upgrade my hpdv1000 pentium M processor whats the maximum upgrade allowed for this? i have upgraded it to 2gb ram from 512mb and 250gb hd from 60gb and its doin fine.


You should be able to upgrade the CPU, since it seems that the DV1000's motherboard uses a socket CPU design. But, obviously, HP would rather have you choose the CPU that you want from the beginning and stick with it.
The first thing to do is to check HP website to see what other configurations were/are sold for your model. If they sell it with faster CPUs then you can upgrade to one of them...

PLEASE NOTE:
In order for a particular processor to be compatible with a particular laptop:
(1) the processor must be physically compatible with the laptop socket, in your case I thing you have a Soket 479 processor
(2) the laptop chipset must support the processor.
(3) the chipset front side bus speed must match the processor front side bus speed, in your case 400Mhz.
(4) the laptop BIOS must support the processor.

So I listed here processors with FSB at 400Mhz, I gues that DV1000 as a 855GM Motherboard that supports only 400Mhz with Socket 479

Pentium M

Banias
Pentium M 1.3 1300 1024 400
Pentium M 1.4 1400 1024 400
Pentium M 1.5 1500 1024 400
Pentium M 1.6 1600 1024 400
Pentium M 1.7 1700 1024 400

Dothan
Pentium M 710 1400 2048 400
Pentium M 715 1500 2048 400
Pentium M 725 1600 2048 400
Pentium M 735 1700 2048 400
Pentium M 745 1800 2048 400
Pentium M 755 2000 2048 400
Pentium M 765 2100 2048 400

Celeron M

Banias-512
Celeron M 310 1200 512 400
Celeron M 320 1300 512 400
Celeron M 330 1400 512 400
Celeron M 340 1500 512 400

Dothan-512
Celeron 205 1200 512 400

Dothan-1024
Celeron M 350 1300 1024 400
Celeron M 360 1400 1024 400
Celeron M 370 1500 1024 400
Celeron M 380 1600 1024 400
Celeron M 390 1700 1024 400

Best Regards

Jun 23, 2009 | HP Pavilion dv1000 Notebook

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Difference between celleron and pentium which is better to use


Celeron has always been known as the cheap mans 'chip' because it is less expensive. Celeron tends to overheat quicker and doesn't cope as well with high demand. In saying that a Celeron does it's job - just don't expect miracles. Pentium is the quality 'chip'. Works well on high demand computers, faster at responding and less likely to have problems.

Jun 13, 2009 | Intel Computers & Internet

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Difference betweeen intel celeron,core duo, mxx


Hello , Intel processors come in all shapes and sizes so I'll try to be brief by discussing only the ones that are current on the market. The market for intel processors are currently divided into 2 sides. One side if for single core processors while the other is for multi-cores. Single cores: Pentium 4, Pentium M, Celeron, Core Solo (Not very common) These cpus are single cores meaning that they only have one processor. They are relatively cheap compared to multicores. The difference between these are clock values, hyper threading, 64 bit support, and FSB. Pentium 4 and Celerons are cores found in desktops while the M is found in laptops. Single cores generally have low FSB but high clock speeds. Think of it as having a lot of water pressure but only a straw to dispense it. That's how fsb and clock values work. So single cores should provide you with a lot of raq power but they're not good at multi-tasking or jobs that requires it divide it's attention. Games like Crysis will be better with multi-cores because the pc has to generate so many different things at once while focusing on countless calculations and processes. the hyperthreading support does help the single core pentium 4s with multi-tasking but it's not as much as multicores. So if you're just looking for something with a lot of raw power. These are for you. Multi-Core Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad These are multi-core processors developed by intel. They are used in both laptops and desktops except for the quad. It's used in desktops only. The first 2 processors are dual cores while the last is quad cored. These processors have a high FSB rating and generally lower clock speed. So you have to be careful when looking at these. The high fsb means that the system does really really well with dividing and transferring it's processing power, but if you get a low clock speed then there's not enough power to begin with for the assignment. Example you may have a large hose but if you have low water pressure.. it's useless. That's why multi-cores are great for the modern pc user who multitasks way too much but if it's under 2.0ghz in clock speed. You should be worried about not having enough raw power to get you through intensive work. Multicores generally cost a lot more than single cores since they're relatively new technology. Btw the Core 2 Duo is faster than the Core Duo by about 7%. Meanwhile the quadcore is the ultimate in processor goodness but costs $400+. I hope these facts helped.

Jun 10, 2009 | Intel Computers & Internet

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