Re: sm.piece broke off spinner wheel; result motor not...
You actually can replace the plastic impeller on the Toro 51591 with the metal impeller part from the Toro 51659. Here is what I posted in this regard on another site:
I had broken the 2nd plastic impeller on my Toro 51591 model and wanted to get the metal on offered on the latest blower, model 51659. Multiple comments and reviews stated that this part wouldn't work. So, I just purchased the newer model blower / vac with the metal impeller. It works fine, actually has a more variable speed control instead of just a high / low and I had no issues using it this weekend.
As I was gathering all the parts; tubes, bag, main unit etc to toss the older model in the garbage this morning, I thought - "I wonder if the metal impeller on my new one would work?" So, I quickly removed it from the new model and bolted it into the old one. It works absolutely fine.
Now I'm just going to purchase a metal impeller replacement and have both units handy - which in conduction to having two (2) large gas leaf blowers is overkill but why pitch a perfectly good item. I can find someone to give it too I am sure.
My point - it would be real nice if people wouldn't go online and write things like "the metal impeller replacement won't work on the Toro 51591 model." That is completely false.
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Since you said you were sucking water out of a "trench" I would bet there was some debris in the trench that impacted the impeller on the vacuum and caused the metal impeller to fragment, taking the plastic pieces with it. It is highly unusual for this to occur on vacuums if some type of debris, such as a small stone or piece of metal does not reach the high speed impeller/fan. I suggest using either a foam sleeve over the filter cage, or an old nylon stocking if you can get one, to screen out the debris that will cause this condition.
The suction tube connects to a small brass piece that has a ball valve. When pump pushes water down hose, it creates suction on the ball valve. The ball valve has to be the right size. Too large, no suction, too small, no suction. The entire world of electronics is based on similar principle.
When the ball valve wears out, or gets clogged, the pump pressure is not able to lift fluid. Try cleaning valve, but my bet is you need a new part with the ball valve.
My Dyson dc18 had the same symptoms. The wand worked well and the floor bar had no suction. After removing pieces & shoving my fingers into the machine (no blockage) I found the suction pipe rotates between two positions (floor and wand). It looks like a piece of plastic broke on the outside housing, so it no longer rotates positions when the wheels are raised or lowered. My son found we can move the suction by sliding a finger into the mechanism behind the wheel cover, and rotating the plastic piece clock-wise or counter clock-wise until it locks into position. It's a big pain but it works for now. I wish I could find a replacement piece online. Patty
http://geeksquad.fixya.com/ThreadView.aspx?prdid=430575&thid=830386 Replacement part Posted by blassx3 on Jul 25, 2008 I broke a piece of plastic off my furniture attachment and now it will not spray cleaner or suction. Can I get a replacement and will it suction again? Hello, I would advise you to ALWAYS to FIRST UNPLUG YOUR VACUUM before beginning any service procedure. Yes, the best 2 places to get the part or to order the part is your local vacuum cleaner dealer in your area or to contact the Hover website or cust serv line @ the Hoover factory that I will list below, if they do not have the part in stock they can order it for you – make sure you hive them the brand name and model # and sometimes they ask for the serial #. So if you need further assistance, please feel free to contact your local vacuum cleaner dealer in your area or in the yellow pages, or contact the factory phone number or website to further assist you with your questions. http://www.hoover.com Telephone Contact our Customer Service Department at 1.330.499.9499 Monday through Friday 8 a.m. - 7 p.m. EST Thanks, Don the Vac Man Go Ahead. Use Us.
I had the same problem, the 3rd level spinner falling off. Without getting into my saga story, save yourself some $$$.
-You will need a screw & washer to replace the plastic thumbtack. The screw will have to be able to screw into the female part of the spinner; the washer will keep the screw from falling out of the hole in the flat hose on the ceiling of the dishwasher.
-If you look closely at the spinner(the part that keeps falling off), you will notice it comes apart. With a flat head screwdriver, separate the 2 parts. (there are 3 parts all together; Keep the round center piece sticking out of the top peice)
--Remove the top drawer of the dishwasher to give you some room to work
-Remove the screw on the "ceiling" of the dishwasher(it is located further back from where the spinner goes) to allow the flat pastic tube to come down low enough for you to get in behind it.(set that screw aside in a safe place; you will put it back later)
-Remove the pastic thumbtack from the hole in the flat plastic tube if it is there & replace with a washer and screw.
-Take the top 2 peices of the spinner, together as assembled & screw the screw into the female portion of the spinner.
-snap on the 3rd piece of the spinner
-replace the screw you took out earlier, securing the flat plastic tube.
-place top drawer
Voila, you are done!! You just saved yourself $20+
I bought a dirtdevil 8 years ago and it's still going. As long as the motor works then you have check to see if the brushroller turns. If not then check the roller belt (take the cover apart some have screws or lock tabs on bottom panel near wheels) If the suction is low then check the vac bag, also with bag off, turn on the vac to check if air comes thru.If not the inside tube is clogged(plastic bags, small objects, ect.)Also when you open the bottom panel to check the roller belt, check the flex pipe that sucks up to the vac bag(unclogg it).