Question about Brother CS-8150 Computerized Sewing Machine

1 Answer

Tension on upper thread brother galaxie 2100

My machine does not seem to hold the cotton tight enough, I have to hold it other wise it loops and then comes up with error - check upper thread?
It does not do it when I sew with thicker thread only the embroidery thread
any suggestions please
Deborah

Posted by on

  • deb6160 Nov 18, 2008

    I have cleaned all debris away and it appears to be running better, no longer holding thread



    Thanks Great Service

  • Anonymous Mar 31, 2014

    when ordinary sewing the material puckers.

×

1 Answer

  • Level 3:

    An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

    Superstar:

    An expert that got 20 achievements.

    All-Star:

    An expert that got 10 achievements.

    MVP:

    An expert that got 5 achievements.

  • Brother Master
  • 1,388 Answers

If you are using a standard tension of 4 or 5 and this problem has developed over time, the most likely cause is lint deposited between the tension disks.......
Raise the presser foot and with a length of scrap fabric, use an action like flossing your teeth to get between the disks......in extreme cases a probe (old needle) may be used very gently to remove thread and lint, but be VERY careful not to scratch the polished surfaces.
I have also written a tutorial on tension balance which may be of further assistance:

Please TRY the solution BEFORE giving your considered rating.

Ensure that all is clean and free of lint and jams, this is the most likely cause....now for tension troubleshooting .......

This solution is for tension problems...if you cannot form any sort of stitch, the issue is quite different, so please let me know if you need a different problem solved.....

It is quite long, but just work through each section in order.
The "knotting up" can reveal a lot. If you have loose threads on one side or the other, the tension on the opposite side will be the culprit.

QUICK SUMMARY FIRST:
Ensure sharp new needle, 
Thread guides and Bobbin are Clean & Clear of lint
Set Top Tesion to 4 ....then....
Balance Bobbin to suit.

TOP THREAD TENSION:
If the looping threads are on the underside as you sew, it is the top tension. Top tension ought to be between 4 & 6 (this variation to allow for the different weights of fabric in your 
projects). 

IS YOUR NEEDLE SHARP ?
If you are using a needle that has seen quite a deal of work, or you suspect it may be blunt, change it for a new one !

TOP TENSION & GUIDES:
Make sure that when you thread the machine the presser foot is up so the thread goes between the discs and not to one side, top tension between 4 and 6, and that you have threaded through all the guides, including the last one, usually on the needle arm, just above the needle clamp.

It may be there is lint trapped between the discs, this will keep them slightly apart and reduce the actual tension, sometimes dramatically.

If tensions appear correct, and the thread is definitely in the channel between the discs, but still too loose and looping, try raising presser foot and remove your thread.

Now, with a 2" (50mm) wide strip piece of fabric 8 - 10" (20 - 25cm) moistened with methylated or denatured spirit, gently insert the fabric strip and clean between the discs with 
a see saw / to and fro action.

In the worst cases, gentle use of a needle to pick & remove the jam may be necessary, but be very gentle and make sure the tension is set at Zero and the presser foot is raised, (to 
disengage tension plates).... do not gouge or score the plates, they need a polished surface to work correctly.

BOBBIN TENSION:
Far less common, but if the loose threads are on the top, it is bobbin tension that is loose, it too may have lint in the spring and be giving a "false" tension. 

I would not recommend fiddling with bobbin tension without good reason, it may end up with missing small screws and spring pieces, however, you can take the needle plate off to clean 
the hook race area (where bobbin case sits) 

...this is just good housekeeping, my wife does this every time she replaces the bobbin....

just take it out and clean the bobbin case and the fixed metal hook race with a small brush to remove lint. If there is a significant amount of lint, use a vacuum and small brush to get the worst.

Then wipe all this area with a cloth or cotton bud (Q tip) moistened (not soaked) with methylated spirit, especially if there appears to be fine dirty deposits....oil and lint combine to conspire against you.

If it seems likely that you ......really ....do .....actually .....need .....to adjust the bobbin case, first check there is no lint trapped in the metal spring where the thread is tensioned. 

TOP LOADER:
Drop-in Bobbin case will look similar to this image with the tension screw in the middle of the metalwork....

tension on upper thread brother galaxie 2100 - 4c76dc1.jpg ...the other screw at one end is holding it all together, so beware....it is not a tragedy to undo the whole lot and clean it, but very gingerly and lay the bits out in sequence and orientation, or you risk tearing your hair out !

FRONT LOADER:
....this is a bobbin case from a front loading machine and works in a very similar fashion to the top loader with drop in bobbin, again, if you dismantle it, take care so you can put it all 
back properly.
165ca5c.jpg FINISHING UP
GETTING THE BALANCE RIGHT:
When you are certain there's no trapped lint in top tension or bobbin, set the top tension to 4 and the bobbin tension to a point where you just begin to feel resistance.

Try using good quality thread of contrasting colours so you can more easily spot the changes.

Set your zigzag to one width less than maximum (eg. 5 of 6 ...or... 4 of 5 etc) and sew a sample for a few inches and check the result.... adjust the bobbin tension screw very little at 
a time, perhaps 1/16 of a turn.

You may find you are playing with this balance for some little while and if you are putting the needleplate on and off each time begin to think it cannot be correct to do this.....BUT....it is, 
and eventually, you do get a "feel" for the correct tension and then it happens quite quickly.....as a user you won't be doing it very often unless there is lint built up (or are there small hands at work around the house !?!?!)

OTHER ISSUES:
If you live near the ocean as we do, salt air can play havoc with metalwork inside and out, so to help minimise this, keep a few small packets of dessicant (silica gel) in your machine 
case....no case ? then make some sort of cover ! 

Same applies in any damp or humid environment, keep your machine dry and dust free.

Budget for a proper full service every couple of years (more often if heavily used) and if you don't use your machine for a few years, be aware that old oil will dry out and combining with 
dust and form a "clag" like glue (another reason for some sort of cover, even a teatowel !)

FINALLY, A WORD ON THREAD:
If it is worth spending the time, energy and money on making something that you would like to give lasting enjoyment......use quality thread, .......it may seem to cost a little more at the 
time, but the results, ease of use and added longevity will be worth the extra, and as a bonus, your tension troubles may be fewer and further between, because there is a more consistent diameter with good thread, and less compensating to be done by your tension plates and less thread breaks !
 

www.bargainbox.com.au 

Posted on Nov 15, 2008

1 Suggested Answer

6ya6ya
  • 2 Answers

SOURCE: I have freestanding Series 8 dishwasher. Lately during the filling cycle water hammer is occurring. How can this be resolved

Hi,
a 6ya expert can help you resolve that issue over the phone in a minute or two.
best thing about this new service is that you are never placed on hold and get to talk to real repairmen in the US.
the service is completely free and covers almost anything you can think of (from cars to computers, handyman, and even drones).
click here to download the app (for users in the US for now) and get all the help you need.
goodluck!

Posted on Jan 02, 2017

Add Your Answer

Uploading: 0%

my-video-file.mp4

Complete. Click "Add" to insert your video. Add

×

Loading...
Loading...

Related Questions:

1 Answer

Most of the time the bobbin stitch is correct. Occasionally there is a loop in the bobbin thread. Any suggestions as to what this could be?


Is it actually the bobbin thread that loops or is the loop appearing on the underside of the fabric as you stitch? If it is a loop under the fabric, that's usually an indication it is an upper thread issue. Thread irregularities that appear on the topside of the fabric are generally bobbin related.

First thing to try is installing a brand new needle. Verify it is the correct needle for the fabric and thread being used.
All About Needles
Sometimes, the fabric being stitched will "grab" the thread and hold it for a second before releasing and will cause a loop. In this case, a needle with a larger scarf and eye may be helpful.

You might also open the upper tension as much as possible, RAISE the presser foot and run a piece of UNwaxed dental floss through the tension disk a few times to clear out any gunk that may be stuck there. A piece of pearl cotton dipped in rubbing alcohol and squeezed moist/dry will also work.

Remove the upper thread. RAISE the presser foot and rethread the top thread from the beginning. Use only fresh, good quality thread--NO old or bargain bin variety! Try using the same thread in the top and bobbin. Make sure the thread is firmly seated in the tension disk and the thread path is correct. Check that there are no burrs or snags in the thread path that could be catching the upper thread. Especially, check that the thread is not catching on the spool "slit" that holds the thread when in storage. Every time the thread navigates around the thread spool, it could be catching on that slit just enough to cause a loop.

Try changing the bobbin. There could be something amiss with the current bobbin--could be nicked or could even be the wrong bobbin for the machine. Also, make sure the bobbin is loaded and turning the correct direction in the machine.

Set the upper tension to the midway point. This is usually the starting point, although it will probably require some tweaking. Test your stitch and adjust the tension so the upper and bobbin threads meet in the middle of the fabric. Neither thread should dominate one side of the fabric or the other.

Understanding Thread Tension Threads

Last thing to try is a different presser foot.

If you still have the intermittent loop, you might want to take it for service. Could be a problem within the tension disk.

Nov 05, 2016 | Sewing Machines

2 Answers

Back side of stitches are loose


increase the thread tension of the needle thread
this is an indication that the tension is not enough to pull the bobbin thread up tight

Jun 15, 2016 | Sewing Machines

1 Answer

Needle stitch fine. Bobbin stitch loops.


First, try a brand new needle.

Second, consider using a better quality thread. By all means, AVOID old or bargain bin threads. Coats & Clark used to be a standard, but thread quality has improved over the past few years, so you may want to check out other brands like Aurafil, Superior, Isacord, etc. Also, cotton wrapped polyester thread releases thread lint that contributes to build-up of gunk in the machine. Some sewists have noted that they experience more sewing issues when using C&C threads. However, some machines will do better with certain thread brands than others, so some experimentation may be beneficial.

Third, check the stitch on your sample again. Generally, when thread loops appear on the underside of the fabric, it is the upper thread that is the problem. If loopy threads appear on the top of the fabric, it is the bobbin thread that is the issue. You can even use a different color in the top to help distinguish which thread is the problem.

Fourth, when threading the upper thread, Always Raise the Presser Foot during the threading process so the tension disk is released and the thread can seat properly. "Bird nesting" occurs when the thread is not seated in the tension disk.
Sewing Machine Thread Bunching Up Here Why

Birds nest under the fabric big loops of thread top side looks good...

Fifth, when the upper thread appears on the underside of the fabric, the upper thread tension is too loose. If the bobbin thread appears on the top of the fabric, the tension thread is too tight (or the bobbin thread is loose). Start out with the upper tension set at the midway point and tweak it from that point. The tension is ideal when both upper and bobbin threads meet in the middle of the fabric.

Also, remember that tension is not static--a tension setting for chiffon will most likely not work on cotton or denim. Get comfortable adjusting the tension to suit the project you are sewing.

..

May 24, 2016 | Sewing Machines

2 Answers

Top thread too tight. Bobbin thread too loose. Bobbin thread bunches up underneath material. The feeder teeth can not feed material through


first thing first - thread inside bobbin should be tightly wound in. Insert bobbin into bobbin case and thread through slot and under the spring. Spring has small screw which regulates the tension. Hold the thread like yo-yo and jerk a little down-up. It should drop just a little (not run down) - that is usually required bottom thread tension,
if not, regulate with the screw. Set top thread tension 3 and sew. If still looping under, increase the top tension higher till the looping disappears. .

Nov 03, 2015 | Sewing Machines

1 Answer

I'm using Empisal Dressmaker 270D sewing machine. My problem is. When I sew the underneath cotton is loose


Usually, if the thread is bunching or looping under the fabric, the upper tension is too loose.. But if the bobbin thread is showing on the top of the fabric, the upper tension is too tight.

The tension is correct when both the upper and lower threads meet in the middle of the fabric.

...

Sep 26, 2015 | Sewing Machines

1 Answer

Upper tension is to tight on the izek singer machine we have. Also on the bottom of the fabric the thread is looping up and tangeling.


Loops on the bottom mean the upper tension isn't tight enough. First make sure you thread the upper thread with the presser foot UP. Then do a test seam on the same type of fabric. If you still have problems. Tighten the upper tension a little then test seam again. Keep doing this until your problem is resolved.

Nov 09, 2012 | Sewing Machines

1 Answer

Necchi 535FA--the tension seems to be off. The thread keeps breaking or pulling out of the needle. When i sew on cotton it was working then when I switched to a stretchy faux crushed velvet the tread...


Good day!

please try this simple tips:

Good day!

A sewing machine operator can often help themselves when their machine does not operate properly.
Here are some simple instructions, which if properly used can save time and mechanics service calls.
TROUBLE;UPPER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
This could be trouble;================Do this;
1.Top tension to tight================loosen tension 1 turn
2.Machine improperly threaded=========check threading
3.Thread twisted on guide post========"
4.Thread twisted out of tension======="
5.Take up spring bent or broken=======Check action of spring
6.Thread jumped off pull off finger===Check threading
7.Needle bent or burred===============new needle
8.Bad cone of thread==================try another cone
TROUBLE;LOWER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
1.Bobbin tensionspring to tight=======Loosen tension slightly
2.Bobbin threaded wrong===============check threading
3.Bobbin wound to tight or uneven=====try new bobbin
4.lint or thread on bobbin case=======clean inside case
5.Lint or thread inside hook==========clean inside hook
6.Bobbin case nicked bent or burred===check/change case
TROUBLE;MACHINE STARTED SKIPPING STITCHES;
1.Needle bent or burred===============change
2.Needle set in crooked===============Check
3.Thread jumped off take up spring====check threading
4.Thread jumped off pull off finger===check threading
TROUBLE STITCHES SHOWING LOOPS;
1.Forming loops on top of cloth=======Tighten bobbin tension
======================================or loosen top tension.
2.forming loops on bottom of cloth====Tighten top tension
3.Bobbin placed in case incorrectly===remove and replace
4.Bobbin thread slipped from under====check threading of
tension===============================bobbin case
5.Lint or thread in top tension=======clean between tension discs


Thank you and good luck.

Jun 06, 2011 | Sewing Machines

1 Answer

Machine will not catch bobbin thread


This is probably an upper thread tension problem.

Manually cycle the machine watching the action with the bobbin covers off. The needle should come up a bit and put a loop out for the little point on the shuttle to come around and catch. Also check needle is in correctly and fully seated.. Groove should be toward you.

If the cloth is very light, the friction of the thread in the cloth may NOT be enough to allow the loop to form. You may have to hold the needle thread a bit to add to the friction so the loop/buldge can form.

Apr 14, 2010 | Euro-Pro 373 Mechanical Sewing Machine

3 Answers

Sears Kenmore sewing machine model number 15358 tension issues


#14 needle is way big for cotton napkin scrap. a #10 is good for most lightweight fabric. #14 is for sewing denim or levis, like that.

the tension problems on almost all machines regardless of price usually fall on the upper tension. the lower bobbin tension is factory set and it's rare you should ever need to mess with it.

if you have a drop in bobbin (top loading), tighten the adjustment screw all the way and then back it off 1/4 turn. if your machine uses a shuttle bobbin, tighten the adjustment screw all the way and then back it off in 1/4-turn increments until you can hold it in the air like a yo-yo and cause to bobbin case to fall slightly dipping your hand.

A dull needle and stitch length will also mess up your stitch. The idea is to narrow the problem down to one thing and one thing only -- UPPER THREAD TENSION.

So, if you have the right size needle for the job, with the right thread, and if your stitch length selection is correct (usually between 2 and 3 or 8-to-10 stitches per inch, the problem should be with your upper thread tension.

An easy way to fix this then is to remember: Loops on top, upper tension drop. Loops below, upper tension grow. If you get loops on top of your work, lower (drop) your upper thread tension to a lower number. If you get loops on the bottom, raise the upper thread tension.

Different stitches on the same machine will require different upper thread tension settings. Don't be afraid of it. Just remember the pneumonic: loops on top, tension drop, loops below, tension grow -- referring to upper thread tension.

have fun :)

Apr 15, 2009 | Sewing Machines

1 Answer

Lower thread tension is too loose but no adjustment seems to work


From your description it appears that you have tried tension settings on the upper tension control adjustment knob without success.
Check that the bobin tension is adjusted correctly by taking out the bobin complete with the spool.
Pull the cotton thread and it should be a smooth light pressure if the tension is correct. If it is tight to pull or pulls freely then adjust the tension screw which is found on the outside of the bobbin. The screw is very small and requires a minature size screwdriver. The adjustment will only be a slight turn of the screw one way or the other to obtain the correct tension(depending if it was loose or tight).
Once this is set reinstall the bobin and tread up the machine, hopefully with the upper tension set at approx."2" the machine will sew correctly.

Nov 28, 2008 | Brother LS-2125 Mechanical Sewing Machine

Not finding what you are looking for?
Brother CS-8150 Computerized Sewing Machine Logo

182 people viewed this question

Ask a Question

Usually answered in minutes!

Top Brother Sewing Machines Experts

Bargain Box
Bargain Box

Level 3 Expert

1388 Answers

Les Dickinson
Les Dickinson

Level 3 Expert

18331 Answers

Irene Tulloch

Level 2 Expert

449 Answers

Are you a Brother Sewing Machine Expert? Answer questions, earn points and help others

Answer questions

Manuals & User Guides

Loading...