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Need to replace socket in Hi hat ceiling fixture

In order to replace the socket in one of my hi hat ceiling fixtures, I need to remove the housing from the ceiling. The fixture dates back to 1987 and the flange that sits against the ceiling is an integral part of the fixture itself.
There are no spring clips holding the funnel shaped housing in place. Looking into the housing, you can see three cross shaped punch outs that seem to serve no purpose. The socket itself is attached with 2 bolts to a metal cup, that sits in the narrow back end of the housing. (The bolt heads are not visible since they are on top of the cup.)The metal cup has 2 springs that snap into holes in the housing. The cup can be pushed up a little, but not down.
Pulling down on the flange just seems to bend it and I am reluctant to break open the ceiling.
I'm out of ideas. Am I missing something? Can anybody help? Norm

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  • nlatner Jan 04, 2009

    This problem is about a light fixture, not a fan.

  • Kenneth Crowther
    Kenneth Crowther May 11, 2010

    the socket has two clips that squeeze together that should release it from the trim or what I think you are calling the funnel. But I would like to know what brand name you have. Some of them twist to a point of release. Is it halo, light o lear, etc..


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Do you have a discription? In order to get to the main wires of a flush mount fan turn off power to fan, remove Lt kit if applicable, Take off blades. Does this sound right ?

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