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Choosing a calibration tech - please help!

Hey Cassidy:

I have been looking into calibration since your reply the other day. Besides Best Buy for $300, I have found someone local for $115. He is a moderator on www.digitalhome.ca/forum, his user name is 57. He has numeorus good reviews. He is not ISF trained and does not do a grey scale adjustment. Below is a response he wrote to me:

Let me address your questions one at a time:

1. The poor black "rendering" of HDTVs, usually relate to a poor black level (brightness) setting, and not the greyscale.

2. The black level also interacts with the other settings on the TV, such as contrast, colour temp, picture mode, etc. When properly set, the blacks should look black and the details should be visible in the shadows (shadow detail). I can show you this when I'm doing the optimization.

3. The important thing for HDTVs is to take them off the default torch mode, to properly adjust Contrast, Brightness, Colour, Tint, Sharpness, Colour Temperature, and various automatic settings. All of these are accessed in the user menu.

4. I have done hundreds of different HDTVs and the items adjusted are basically the same, with only the location in the user menu being different. As you can see from my references, the results have been good.

5. The sencor sensor that I use is the same one used by an ISF technician, however, instead of using a signal generator, which costs thousands of dollars, I use a test DVD and your DVD player. This actually has the advantage of optimizing the DVD player exactly.

6. The ISF technician goes into the service menu and adjusts the greyscale - this can have a minor effect on the final picture quality if the colour temperature of your TV is "way off", however, most HDTVs have a colour temperature that is more than adequate when properly chosen (by me).

7. The ISF technician will charge $250-500 for his service, while I charge around $100. The ISF technician will only do the TV.

8. I optimize all of the equipment in the Home Theatre, not just the TV. See the following link:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2883/283/

Optimizing the other equipment can be as, or more important, tham doing the TV, because if the correct signals are not sent from the STB, DVD player or the AVR is not set up or connected properly, then your entire system is not optimized.

I hope I have adequately addressed your questions.

Cassidy - I trust your opinion - do you think it is ok to go with this guy? he is a fraction of the price. Or I am getting what you pay for? How crucial is grey scale adjustement and what about what he states about that. Many people rave about his services if you read the posts.

Please let me know.

Thanks!!!

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Black levels in lcd depend 99% on the technology used lg uses ips panels well sammy and sony use the latter thats why they get a tad better blacks but ips generally do colors better and the fact that th lg we have, has the all new 10 bit panels in them i myself like the pop of the lgs color over the barley there difference of blacks between it, sony and sammy, my honest opinion and let me reiterate my own opinion well lets put it like this my friend this is honestly the best way to describe greyscale, its like a painters canvas while its not as close to accurate as possible well the colors will not be as close to accurate as possible the greyscale is the starting point period this guy adjust while you watch then when ur mind is tricked into liking it well hes done kinda con but not a 100 % i mean he shows up atleast greyscaling and well isf ccc is an art and a science ur tv is able to hold ruler straight scale from 10 to 100 man like i said earlier this guy will only give half the pie, save ur money, and after x-mas treat ur self i promise u wont be sorry i am loving mine and well its hard for a tv to impress me but this lg well i cant quit playing with Hey the response time in cinema mode is 2.7 seconds wow, and leave fresh contrast off that equals 40,000 dynamic contrast now that is torch mode, hey intelligent sensor can save u 65% thats alot, did u get extended warranty.


c. YOU KNOW IN UR MIND THAT U WANT TO GET IT DONE RIGHT! lol

Posted on Oct 29, 2008

  • cassidy barr Oct 29, 2008

    oh hey i noticed i was spelling grayscale well the wrong way lol i can really spell just after all the typing i do i guess i get lazy, and dont spell check oh well



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