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Heat Pump/Furnace Trip Circuit Breaker

My system will run for a while, heating nicely, and then suddenly trip the circuit breaker on the furnace. Occasionally it also trips the circuit breaker in the main panel for the heat pump. I have paid almost $300. to have the Heating and AC company check this out, and they cannot find anything wrong. Perhaps I have been asking the wrong folks? It does not due this upon start-up; just seems to heat for a while, and then randomly kick off. The Heating AC folks just wanted to sell me a new system, but it seems to me that if this is all that is the matter, it should be something that can be repaired. The system is getting up there, about 14 years old, but has been very well maintained, and had a new defroster put in last year as well. Can you help? I hate to call someone else, and incur another $100 service charge with no fix! Thanks so much.

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  • nancydb Oct 22, 2008

    Hello, and thanks for the response! Here's the answers I could find out: The furnace max overcurrent (Carrier brand) is 3.0. Protection 15. Max amp fuse 50/60.


    There are two 40 amp fuses (tied together) at the panel for the Heat Pump. There is also two 50's (together) for the furnace in the garage (also at the panel.) What tends to blow are either the breaker directly on the front of the furnace itself, or that one plus the two 40's for the Heat Pump (NOT just the one for the Heat Pump, which makes me think that it is when the heat pump and furnace are working together.)


    Interesting thought about the defroster ....I can't recall if this was happening prior to that being replaced.


    On the heat pump itself (also Carrier) I read: Max Fuse 40; Breaker 40; Min Circuit Amps 23.3.


    I did not take apart the panels on the heat pump to see about the defroster rating...would this be accessible if I did?


    There doesn't seem to be a pattern when tripping. This morning it ran for about an hour, then tripped. Then ran for 3 hours without tripping. Last night, 1/2 hour then trip. It is all over the place. 


    When the service tech was here last year, he checked to be sure that there were no spikes in power at the furnace. I was concerned as well because our electric bill went through the roof when this began happening. I am thinking now that it could perhaps be a circuit board issue, and that he should have changed out the circuit board on the outdoor heat pump unit, especially given the quadrupling of our electric bill. What do you think?


    I SOOooo appreciate your assistance on this. Thank you!

  • mht123 Nov 28, 2008

    I am having the same problem in cold weather.

    Our Goodman 12 year old (3 ton) heat pump "on heat" runs for 10-20 minutes (we get warm air) BUT then blows the circuit breaker switch in the house (Not outside fuses).



    This heat pump is a heating (and cooling) unit for the upstairs bedrooms only - and is frequently not used, so we just discovered this problem?



    My guess is that the unit starts to work-gets warm- but for some reason starts to pull too much electricity and triggers the circuit breaker? Why do you think? 703-200-7469

  • glenball Jan 13, 2009

    I have a similar problem with an Amana heat pump. It is only 3 years old. This past summer the outside breaker tripped, it was reset and no problem. However, this past November with no particular pattern the breaker would trip after several hours or less or it may go for days. After inspecting the outside unit I discovered that a lead had not been secured properly to the contactor allowing the connection to arc. This was evident from the dark and chard wire and the dark color of the contacts. I have replaced the contact but this has not solved the problem. Within several hours of replacing the contactor the breaker tripped again. I am now at a loss!

  • alaspitfire Mar 25, 2009

    I have a similar problem but I notice it now when the weather is colder and the heating elements have to kick in.....it runs for about 30 minutes and the circuit breaker trips. I am being told it might need new heating elements. How much are new heating elements for an older Rheem.....just an approximate cost anyone?

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Check the set screws at the panel and the furnace. May be a poor connection. Happened to mine... probably the installer.

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My system will run for a short period and then suddenly trips the circuit breaker in the main panel for the heat pump.

I have a Goodman - 3 ton system about 8 - 9 yrs old. I'm being told that I need to replace the heat pump/air conditioner compressor?

What do you think?

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A few points of clarification;

What is the furnace circuit breaker rating in Amps?

What is the heat pump rating in amps or kW?

What is the defroster rating in Amps or KW.

How long has it been doing this vis a vis the insatallation of the defroster?

Is there any pattern to the tripping i.e does it happen when a fan starts or stops?

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  • ashburton Oct 23, 2008

    Here are some thoughts on your situation;



    The breaker is furnace and heat pump breakers seem to be tripping on overload rather than earth fault. It's unlikely to be a cicuit board fault.



    If your electricity consumption has quadrupled some thing is running more constantly than before. Does this relate to the time the new defroster was installed?



    Regarding the defroster rating iI wouldn't take anything apart to check it but can you get the information from another source e.g the paperwork or the installer as it seems to me this could be causing you problem.

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    David Wagner Mar 06, 2013

    I have the same problem. but mine only trips once every 2 weeks. a 60 amp breaker and only 30 amps going across the breaker. the 60 amp breaker in the unit does not kick off. which confuses me. they are in series with each other. I figure both should breakers should kick

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