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My Saeco Incanto Sirius machine keeps asking for yet another VENTILATE cycle

My Saeco Incanto Sirius machine keeps asking me again and again to VENTILATE, but it never seem to return to normal offering me the chance to Select a Product i.e. a cup of cofee for my effort.
I have been running the Decalcing Cycle several times after each other but the machine returns within the very minute with just the message that recalcifying is finished
I have also been running the Cleaning Cycle program that keeps running for approx. 5 minutes and everything seem to work Okay. But instead of returning to normal Select Product Menu, it returns to require still another VENTILATE handling and when the program requires the Knob closed the machine is again beging for yet another VENTILATE cycle

I wonder if a leak somewhere in the Water System is slipping false air into it.

So I wonder if you may have some experience around this issue.

Kind regards
Leif Thorsted

mailaddress: leif.thorsted@mail.tele.dk

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  • leifthorsted Oct 06, 2008

    Hello again
    Normal fix is to prime the machine (turn water dispenser on, fill a cup) or descale the machine.
    1) water dispenser seem to function OK
    2) decalcing cycle is interrupted within 30 seconds saying decalcing is finished, but could be my problem since I'm then not able to performe any decalcing cycle what I feel i s needed very badly.
    Looking forward to your suggesting at this matter.
    Kind regards
    Leif Thorsted

  • leifthorsted Oct 09, 2008

    Hello at FixYa

    thank you for a very detailed point to point explanation to the Water/Steam supply of my Saeco Incanto Sirius mashine and for your suggestions for making up a diagnostic conclusion.

    The mashine has no leaking of Water at all, but opening the steam/hot water outlet knob produces a very loud noise compared to my daugthers quite equal Saeco Incanto mashine.
    Her Saeco will after approx. 15 sec change its sound over to a pumping quiet sound like that we asll recall from a fischermanns boat ... dunk ... dunk ... dunk and the steam floats nicely from the outlet down to the waiting cup wheras my mashine besides the heavy noise only produces a smaller hot watter beam but absolutely no steam at all.

    Well can we then finally conclude that the pump is bad and furthermore due to the heavy noise comming along when the steam knob is turned on. Or could still the waterway be blocked somehow.

    kind regards
    Leif Thorsted

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Sir,

Click this link for your all problem related issues....

http://www.espressotec.com/store/pc/ic_machine_maintenance.asp

thanks
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The following procedure works on Gaggia and Saeco when you get the ventilate error:



The Ventilate sign can be due to one or more of the following reasons:
Cause 1- Water leaking from the inlet valve below the water tank. The hose from the inlet valve to the pump can be air locked. When using the hand pump, do not thrust its nozzle too deep (maximum insertion to not exceed 1/3".
Cause 2- Blockage in the passage of water due to clogged passage anywhere between the pump and espresso delivery nozzle.
Cause 3- Pump is not working. Open steam/water outlet knob and hear the pump work. If you do not hear any noise from the pump, this may be the main cause.
Cause 4- Flow meter is faulty. This part is like the water meter for homes. It measures the flow of water and signals the electronic board. The malfunctioning flowmeter will not send signals even when water is flowing through it.
Cause 5- Hose is disconnected and water is not flowing in the system.
Cause 6- O-rings at hose connection is leaking, reducing the water flow to be sensed by flowmeter.
Cause 7- Boiler gasket is leaking. Reduces flow of water through the system.
Cause 9- Brew unit is blocked, blocking flow of water through the flowmeter. This also causes pump to slow down and ultimately stop with muffled sound within 15 seconds.
Cause 10- Brew unit not connecting brew valve, preventing flow of water. Same sign under cause 9.
Cause 11- Steam is leaking. Registers reduced flow of water at the flowmeter.
Cause 12- Solenoid valve is blocked or solenoid coil is bad. Same observation as cause 9.
Cause 13- Electronic Control board is bad. Though rare it can happen due to condensed water from leaking steam. When steam is leaking or boiler is leaking, machine should not be used any more to prevent steam shorting the Electronic board.
Some of the above causes can be checked and corrected before seeking technical help. Do not assume anything without physically checking each of the following:
1- Make sure the water tank is full. If the water tank has water level float, make sure the float is in its housing and it floats as water is filled in the tank. If the level float does not rise with the level of water, then replace the float.
2- Water is not leaking from below the tank. The inlet valve is good. If leakage is present, replace the gasket in the water inlet valve.
3- Prime the machine by opening the hot water knob for 20 seconds or pressing the hot water button. Hot water flow shows the boiler is not blocked with minerals and pump is good. The solenoid valve is good.
4- Water & steam flowing normal, check the brew group for blockage. Determine when was the last time brew group was cleaned. Clean the brew group as explained elsewhere on these pages. If the machine has pre-ground function, try making a fake espresso (without coffee). Make regular espresso in other models to make sure that water goes through brew group and espresso is dispensed.
4- If hot water does not flow because the pump is not activated, then pump is bad. Replace pump.
5- Pump starts to work but within few seconds its sound is muffled and finally stop. This indicates there is serious blockage in the water line or the boiler is clogged with mineral deposits. If water is leaking and seen on the counter top, the chances are that water is leaking from hose connections(replace O-rings) or the boiler is leaking from seams (replace boiler).
6- Prime the machine by opening steam outlet for 20 seconds. Steam flow shows that steam boiler / steam outlet is not blocked. If the steam does not flow, then steam boiler or steam passage is blocked. Replace steam boiler or steam valve
7- Check the solenoid valves to make sure that they open & close as the coil is energized. Solenoid valve is located between the pump and boiler. The pump is activated simultaneously as the solenoid valve when espresso selection button is pressed. Some models may have a solenoid valve near the steam valve. In these models, the solenoid valve is activated to allow passage for steam/hot water. If the valve is not functioning, the ventilate sign will appear.
7- Hear the pump work when priming the machine. Louder noise from the pump can be due to
** air-locked water hose, or
** water is not sucked from the tank or the pump is sucking air instead of water or
** the diaphragm inside the pump has lost flexibility and not developing pressure to push water forward
** the hydraulic system is blocked at one or more locations due to mineral sediment. Find the location and cause of the block and correct it.
** Clean the brew unit (see cleaning instructions) and make sure that
a- the ground coffee used is not powdery fine.
b- The dose of coffee grounds is not in excess of 7 G.
c- check if there is . Find the cause and remove it.
8- If steam and hot water flow is normal, but the ventilate sign persists, then the flow meter or the electronic control board is bad. Replace flow meter or the control board, as necessary.


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Posted on Oct 06, 2008

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    Ginko Oct 06, 2008

    Try also the following:



    • Press hot water button once. Message on the screen will not change, this is normal.

    • Open the steam knob and allow the water to flow freely from steam
      wand into a container. The screen should now read “Hot water,ventilate", you may need yo empty a full container of water or more before message changes.

    • As soon as the screen displays “hot water,” turn the steam valve off .

    • The machine will warm up, and the problem is fixed.


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This means the water cannot flow through the machine. Normal fix is to prime the machine (turn water dispenser on, fill a cup) or descale the machine. Go through the menu, select descale, enter, then turn the steam knob fully anti-clockwise. You should put the descaling solution in the water tank first.
If you have the auto-descale in the menu then run it. Run the solution through the machine twice. Then rinse well.

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